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On 2007-12-21 08:21:23, CrazyGuns wrote:
hmmm, im not exactly a professional at this, but
Can't wait!
Like it
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Posted: 2007-12-21 16:31:19
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On 2007-12-20 18:47:08, PeterKay wrote:
On 2007-12-20 18:45:56, chuksy wrote:
Have you changed your phone PK?
change them every other day
Peter, are you allowed to say us if your prototype had a multi finger screen or not ?
Thx
[ This Message was edited by: Calarfe on 2007-12-21 17:02 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-21 16:45:20
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He didnt have the prototype any more, he said.
Tobi
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Posted: 2007-12-21 17:10:53
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On 2007-12-21 17:10:53, tobiphill wrote:
He didnt have the prototype any more, he said.
Tobi
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Posted: 2007-12-21 18:02:29
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On 2007-12-21 16:31:19, PeterKay wrote:
On 2007-12-21 08:21:23, CrazyGuns wrote:
hmmm, im not exactly a professional at this, but
Can't wait!
Like it
Most welcome!
So how long do you think for that to be a reality? atleast for you?
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Posted: 2007-12-21 18:05:38
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Peterkay,
How do other testers feel about the device ?
Is testing more aggressive compared to other se devices ?
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Posted: 2007-12-22 04:52:03
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@Tigershark42
May be you should study the market more. New handsets mostly come as a substitute to the old handsets. If P5i comes right now, P1i and W960i will automatically be knocked down to the lower market. Prices will then be forced to drop. If they won't drop it, they need to keep P5i price exceedingly high. That's what I call suicide. If P5i will be due mid of next year. It's about the right time for new substitutes because P1i will be 1 year old.
S60 does have many security flaws which UIQ doesn't. It's like a Mac OS and Windows OS. One might be popular, but huge risks while the other might not be as popular as yet, but less risk. Now think of how much share Apple have gained from Microsoft in the past few years?
About W960i coming out with P1i. It's SE's strategy for grabbing multiple markets. Nokia does the exact same thing too, so don't just blame SE.
SE isn't holding P5i mainly because of both W960i and P1i, but they need to make sure when it comes out, it's what the market currently wants. Second effect is killing their own market of W960i and P1i that's about to go gold for new year's sale. I don't think you should complain. It's always been like this, and other companies are doing the exact same thing. It's not something that they would likely change.
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Posted: 2007-12-22 06:05:26
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Tigershark42 Posts: > 500
Some fair points there. I am on your side regarding the OS. UIQ IS preferable in my view. But if I'm honest, I wouldnt be able to claim that its the more popular. That already is an indication of where SE already stands.
Nothing you said about P1, W960, P5 etc was wrong I dont think, but you must remember that SE arent the only phone manufacturer out there, so its not just about marketing your products correctly, but also outdoing the competition. I think Nokia (despite the fact that I HATE nokia) HAVE outdone the competition with their smartphone. Therefore, I dont think its bright of SE to expect people to want to hang on to their same old inferior solution. N95 has proven this I think. In the SMARTPHONE (not PDA) market, if you produce the best range of capabilities and features, it WILL sell. So, going back to your original argument, although the P5 being released now would harm P1 and W960 sales, because it would outdo EVERYTHING ELSE also, profit from it would be 10 fold what would be attained from the P1 and W960 put together. Thats what I think. But its a question of whether or not the P5 would be good enough in all criteria to sell that much. If it really is as good as PK claims it to be, then they should take that gamble as I say and release it ASAP so that it stays stronger for longer. Dont you think it possible that in 6 months time the N96 could be well into its sales and outdoing SE on timing as well as on performance. I dont see that as strange at all, because that seems to have been happening for the past couple of years now.
In any case, at least the W960 would sell even in the shadow of the P5 because it would be cheaper and of Walkman branding. P1 would too. Where I live, theyve just brought the P990 to the shops NOW! There is a huge time lag between release and you being able to buy one depending on where you are in the world. So if SE prolong that further by increasing time from announcement too, then the fans just go for different manufacturers, who may even have better solutions by then.
You must remember that theres no reason why SE shouldnt be at the top of the mobile phone industry. They are comprised from Sony (electronics manufacturing powerhouse and a name associated with good quality) and ericsson (strong for battery life, and excellent with the communications industry in general). How could they let anyone else be ahead? What Im trying to get at is, if SE keep looking back at handsets theyve already released and hope that they sell more, then there wont be any new ones and theyll just lose to their competitors. AGAIN.
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Posted: 2007-12-22 14:12:33
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@kenx3000
When you say
"S60 does have many security flaws which UIQ doesn't"
Sorry but that is just totally false as both UIQ and S60 are nothing more than different user interfaces they both run on top of exactly the same OS although Nokia is already using a newer variant of the OS.
So would you care to share with us just how you have reached this truly amazeing and wholly inaccurate assumption then? as sorry but you are wrong.
Oh and the only reason that the P1 and W960 would be knocked down as you put it is due to the fact that there spec's for late 2007 are very old. As they are still using the same hardware as the P990 still no HSDPA and the now very old Nexperia chip. Where as the P5 hopefully will have all the latest technology as we expect from a flagship device at least this time SE realeased before release and appear to be addressing this issue by updating and improving the spec and personally i think this is the right thing to do and hopefully well wroth the additional wait.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-12-22 14:33:53
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Tigershark42 Posts: > 500
I agree with that 100%
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Posted: 2007-12-22 14:49:27
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