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Just remarks,
I don't think Pnext will have any outdated technology,
It will be surely rather top end, ahead of the competitors,
also, releasing Pnext to the market - let's say - in May 2008, it's still less than a year from P1 release.
As for outdated specs, don't think only about data on paper,
think also about what phone can do effectively,
and with the big respect to what N95 can offer for instance,
it's not such a SUBSTANTIAL difference from P1 even in terms of processor/etc.
I mean, general experience with both phones puts them in the same general class of smartphones, it's not a different level. And both have some flaws,
P.S. N95 and P1, often compared here, belong to a different niche, good to remember that. So, respectively, in the BusinessClass smartphones Nokia behaves much less vivid than in this multimedia/high tech entertainment product.
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Posted: 2007-12-22 20:51:50
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I was just using it as an example because like Pnext, it is a top of the range solution. Therefore, P5 is better than N95 which is better than P1- to upgrade from the P1 to the P5, the specs of the N95 must be surpassed. and for the record, N95 IS a better solution than the P1 in every field except the battery. But we all know thats no problem when it comes to SE. In terms of what you can do- WLAN 802.11g, GPS navigation, 5 Mpx photos, play games using a Dpad, have dedicated multimedia keys, and have an interface which is more convenient in day to day situations, to name but a few very EFFECTIVE differences. P5i really should match and surpass this.

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Posted: 2007-12-22 21:07:00
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@doministry

Sorry i just can not agree with you maybe the processor is not that important although more power is always good to have and not need rather than need it and not have it. But no HSDPA in the later part of 2007 in a Data centric device is just not good especially when most smart phones from other manufacturers have it, hell even SE dumb phones have it.

As i said the P5 will address both these issues but if it uses the OMAP 2 series chip this will not be cutting edge at all but already an old and established standard. But as currently no one knows for sure just what the P5 will have power it or what it's final spec's will be it is impossible to claim it will either be class leading or not as no one knows the answer to this yet. I hope it does have the latest and greatest specs and this goes not just for the processor but also 7.2mbps HSDPA. Also i really fail to see the relevance of it being the most powerful or not far more important to me is how it performs and if it's stable or not when realeased as this will effect it's success more than if it is the most advanced or not.

Marc

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Posted: 2007-12-23 00:08:51
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@Doggman

I wonder how some virus got to Symbian OS and won't work on UIQ? They do run off the same base OS, but many are actually different. Or else why would some programs of Symbian OS would not work on UIQ? Don't tell me it's because it's not built for it. Same buttons, same base OS, but why not work? I did not come up with this conclusion on my own. It is something that has always been known and never fully fixed.

I do agree that processor might not be the most important factor. I heard NVidia is coming to help with mobile graphics, so if there's a dedicated graphic chip, the processor wouldn't handle all the loads of work. It all depends on what the phone is designed for.

@Tigershark42

I think SE does know that they're in a bad position in the market right now because they're losing what they had gained. May be they needed this time to revise all the mistakes and make sure the next lot will be a good comeback. I talked to one of my friends who use to work for SE, he did say that SE did that once before K700i and S700i came out. We do remember that they paused a very long time then boom out with those two. Let's just cross our fingers and hope for the best from SE.

Oh, and about Sony, I never buy stuff from Sony...really. I only buy phones from SE, but not Sony products. It's just too wide that they're not specialized in any single topic. I think of Sony and SE as 2 different companies(which they are, different CEO's and executives).

I think technology wise, SE isn't that behind. I think SE has one of the best market research. They tend to play a lot with what they already have. Think about how many features based off of the OS that SE had put their time into(The PS style OS, Accelerometer, Light-sensor). They tend to have many informatics working with media entertainment rather than emphasizing on just Hardware-based phones. I think they learned that lesson from Motorola.

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Posted: 2007-12-23 03:59:50
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Ok thanks. I could take it no more and sold my K810 and bought the P1. Now I await it's delivery. There was nothing else somewhat affordable in the line that suited me. W960 too expensive and well K850 didn't wow enough and it's also expensive. P1 fit right in. It's gonna be my first smartphone too.
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Posted: 2007-12-23 06:05:35
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I might be joining you with P1i soon
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Posted: 2007-12-23 06:28:35
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now who is ??
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Posted: 2007-12-23 06:49:52
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waw ... look at this

Lets go mobile .. i think they took Sealover's Desgin ...

http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/cellular/1296/sonyericssonp5i/
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Posted: 2007-12-23 06:55:34
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I'm saying that for example, digital camera has Nikon, Fujifilm, and Canon that are head of the group while Sony is nearly the tail(in terms of quality). Talk about Laptops and Desktop PC's, there's Dell, HP, etc. They have lower price while offering something more. All I could remember that Sony does it good is just Bravia TV and Playstation. Other than that, you can't really consider Sony to be top of the line.
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Posted: 2007-12-23 08:36:33
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i know wat u mean .. but there's many companies that are doing every thing else like Panasonic + hp + toshiba + samsung + Lg ..etc ,,, its not sony alone ..
and about the digital cameras .. although i hate sony cybershot but who said that its in the tail in terms of quality ??? alpha a100 is very comparble to the nikon d40x and the canon d400 and fujifilm dosent even have an slr that is comparble to the a100 only have the s5 which the a700 is better than it and aalpha a700 is comparble to the d300 from nikon and e3 form olympus and the canon d40 and mabye better in some terms and the price is very very good ( go to dpreview.com and see the sony's reviews ) .. and the normal digital cameras ( h9 + h5 + w200 + etc ... ) sony considered as one of the best .


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