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On 2015-04-14 09:33:56, amirprog wrote:
^^ nice to read another supportive info.
about "possible delay of z5 devices to 2016 for s820" - no way. they will announce z4, z4c and z4u at ifa and launch all a short time after it for sure. this is no brainer imo, especially after the small update is more of a z3 variant. it would be suicidal trying to survive with this small update until a q2 launch 2016 just for s820. they may just get improved version of s810 in q3 prototypes if s820 won't be ready for this year.
Z4 at IFA? What for? It won't be any different than Z3 Neo and it would stay on the market just for a few months before they'll show a new device with SD820. It just makes no sense. SD820 will be available between Q4 2015 and Q1 2016.
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Posted: 2015-04-14 18:00:05
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@penguino
A completely new snapdragon does not make or break a flag. z3 with s801 against note 4, nexus 6, droid turbo, s5 lte-a with s805 is a worthy rival. here is how you differentiate the q4 flag from this coming flag update without s820:
a new design, better camera software, new camera hardware - imx230, ois, two tone flash ,etc., fingerprint scanner, 4gb of ram, a newer s810, usb type c, audio enhancements, higher quality stereo speakers, more battery life, new software features, new 64gb internal storage option, a new z phablet with main and compact.
even if you take out some of the listed features it would still be considered a big update.
at most, they could delay one of the z devices to mwc 2016 (ces is ruled out as it is electronics event, not mobile). let's see: delay ultra? not likely as they don't have a phablet since 2013, delay compact? with the great reaction it got from reviewers and consumers? not likely. delay main? this z3 neo can carry them until april next year? risky. they don't seem to put a lot of effort in this smaller update - same camera, still omnibalance, s810 overheating rumors, etc.
bottom line is: they must at least announce 2 new z smartphone at ifa, be it main, compact and or ultra. better announce all 3 and delay tablet compact to mwc 2016.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2015-04-14 18:52 ]
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Posted: 2015-04-14 19:50:06
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New Snapdragon is very important. We're talking about a flagship where numbers matter the most. Plus SD810 has bad PR. Don't forget that Z4/5 is supposed to stay on the market for the whole year and stay competetive - SD810 is not enough for that. There will be no newer 810. Yes, all those other features are important but SoC is one of the most important out of them.
It doesn't matter wether CES is a mobile event or not, it seems that Sony may go back to old times where they were announcing their new mobiles on their own conferences. Showing one flagship at IFA and leaving the other two for later makes no sense fot two reasons. First - splitting the family makes no sense because all the sizes should be as close as possible, including their hardware. Second - that's why thay're making Z3 Neo, to keep up for more than just 4 months.
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Posted: 2015-04-15 01:33:56
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Your argument is weak imo and i find very little reason to agree. s820 alone is a bad reason to delay a flag by half a year considering that sony is bleeding and may not survive another year, z3 and z3c with s801 sold great and had a great reception despite weak marketing and carrier availability, s805 devices have not sold more because they have it but because manufacturers advertise them, put them in a lot of carriers, etc, sony did not put much efforts in this coming "weak spec" small update flag so you are actually contradicting yourself, and they can't rely on it to survive until next year q2-3 launches, we don't know if there won't be a newer s810.
It is important to announce flags at a mobile show so you get the most coverage by the media and you have something to show against your competitors, for these reasons basically no manufacturers likely to announce mobile flag at ces. sony is not likely to go back to their own conferences, there is no hint for that. they are likely to announce the 3 devices at ifa and not delay them because as i wrote above this relatively "weak spec" update wont carry them until q2-3 next year. it even has the same number as last year - 3, so it would be a terrible idea anyway in terms of consumers reception that expect something newer this year.
we care here about the list of improvements i listed above more then s820 and i have no doubt that sony and qualcomm will work together to fix s810 for q4 launches so they will be as competitive. read this whole thread. people are bitching here day and night about weak camera software, old camera hardware, no new design, no new true flag phablet, etc. if sony does not offer a new flag in main, compact and phablet people here and anywhere are going to jump ship to note 5, lg coming note rival, s6, chinese flag devices, etc. and even to iphone 6s/6s plus i bet. for sony there may not be next year.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2015-04-15 11:22 ]
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Posted: 2015-04-15 10:17:04
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Galaxy S6 edge= New Aluminium and glass design+ Ufs 2.0+ 14nm soc+dual edge screen
Zenphone 2= Flagship performance on a budget price
Lg g4= 16mp with wide f1.8 aperture
LeTV One=USB type c+ 21-megapixel main camera with OIS, dual-tone flash, new Sony IMX230+ 4GB LPDDR4 RAM
Xperia Z4=????
If Z4 only comes with a new processor, thinner design and exposed micro-USB I see no reason to upgrade
[ This Message was edited by: kurtdean on 2015-04-15 18:31 ]
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Posted: 2015-04-15 19:11:43
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so far LeTV spec shits over everything to me. Basically what Z4 should have for the mininum beside maybe the screen size.
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Posted: 2015-04-15 19:46:25
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The Z3 neo should also have that imx230. I don't understand why Sony is not giving their best tech to their mobile division.
[ This Message was edited by: Shino03 on 2015-04-15 18:48 ]
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Posted: 2015-04-15 19:48:02
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@Shino03
My theory is that first, imx230 was intended from the beginning to the q4 devices. second, as you can scroll back and read the rumors, z3n/z4 should have been announced at mwc originally but then sony decided to change strategy to one main flag and now i wouldn't be surprised if they announce it to japan only. third, maybe letv paid them added fees for debuting the sensor and sony needs the money so it's a done deal.
EDIT: actually if i'm not wrong, randomuser or hiyu or miku' said in the 2014 rumors thread that q4 2015 flag will use a new sensor, but it would be a pain to try to search for it.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2015-04-15 19:39 ]
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Posted: 2015-04-15 20:31:59
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LeTV one max, has everything good in specs. (at least on paper) but i have to see hands on review to see its faults. But looks damn good and got me interested, for sure.
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Posted: 2015-04-15 23:12:44
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Sony's going all metal with the #Z4. Iconic power button getting a refresh too with a built in touch finger print sensor. Out September.
Check out @vizileaks's Tweet:
https://twitter.com/vizileaks/status/588628736955711488?s=09
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Posted: 2015-04-16 12:15:58
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