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On 2013-09-10 15:37:22, Shotokan81 wrote:
On 2013-09-10 12:22:58, maiaramdan wrote:
Yes,
The big middle eye fibre metal body
@Maiaramdan:
Wow, if this is real, this means Sony is cramming an even bigger sensor in the Z2?
So could we hope for hardware stabilisation for stills?
And maybe some xenon like improved flash?
Nokia 808 may find his master in 6 months!
[ This Message was edited by: Shotokan81 on 2013-09-10 14:38 ]
Come on, when we heard the first rumours about Z1, almost everybody was expecting the same thing. So I'm sceptical about expecting anything groundbreaking, or about any new functional features, Sony is just increasing the megapixel count, the numbers, and adding as many as possible brandings of Sony without remarkable evident development.
On 2013-09-10 20:58:11, king-james wrote:
Apple still lives in stone age. The display is still only a 4incher and still no HD resolution...
There are no new innovations... I'm sure, Apple will loose more and more people... I'm happy.
SONY could make a iPhone Killer, 4,3" with best specs and very thin and small body. All in glass and best materials. That's it!
So why is it so difficult, Kaz Hirai?! SONY need it so much! There is no one who can compete with your design! SONY come on!
Seriously, even if I don't like the Iphone, it's screen size and resolution would be perfect for me. And I dont understand the desire of having more pixels. I think anything above 300 ppi is more than enough.
BTW, since 2007 I'm reading on this forum the "Iphone killer" term, when Sony Ericsson's feature phones had incomparably more features and way better specifications compared to the Iphone. back in 2007 Iphone had just the snappy touchscreen, and the best touchscreen experience. In touchscreen user experience Apple is still the best, the Android is behind it even with or without Project Butter or even by using higher performance processors.
When almost every phone manufacturer started focusing on smartphones, they leaved behind lots of popular features, like Xenon flash, editable, fully customisable menu themes (including almost every menu level except for applications), classic 3G video calling, etc. By the time Apple added more customisation options of the UI, the poor 3mp fixed focus camera which was only capable of shooting blurry shots (and at that time 8-12 mp phone cameras, equipped with Xenon flash, with good picture quality were quite common in all manufacturer's better phones) now it's almost on par with current smartphones flagships, and the best touchscreen experience remained still the Iphone's privilege.
One more thing... About the Z1 everywhere is mentioned, and also emphasized, that it is just a prototype, and with the final software camera performance
may improve. Since K850 I haven't seen any phone by Sony Ericsson, or Sony with any improvement. The K850 produced even with the final software the same noisy washed out shots with pinkish red colours, as with the first versions, wich was obviously software related. Than appeared the C902, the K850 was completely left behind, and the C902 produced the most vibrant red colours ever by a Sony Ericsson phone (I don't remember with the same camera sensor or it was just a very similar one). So I don't expect any improvement of camera quality. And below a certain lighting level Z1's shots are shameful at full size.
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2013-09-11 07:05 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-11 08:04:37
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All of what Pi3. 14 said sounds plausible. The last two sentences were confusing, and don't really make sense. How much could it possibly cost to develop a sensor, and why allow your most direct competitor to have it? Maybe that was the old Sony mentality, and because these are old events, assuming they're true, that mentality was still there, but hopefully by now it's gone. Would also explain what randomuser was saying all that time.
And regarding the 5.2" oled - wasn't that being produced anyway?
http://www.xperiablog.net/201[....]nel-production-a-long-way-off/
But it can't be this, it's too soon.
A Sony OS for mobile has to make a start somewhere. And how to make it attractive even with having very few apps? Easy (sort of). Make it run Vita games... The msm8974ab should be up for it, no? It's successor definitely will. And don't make it android! But side loading android apps would be nice...
At the very least, a tablet which can run Vita games, have a kick stand of sorts and Dual shock 3/4 support.
[ This Message was edited by: Away on 2013-09-11 07:19 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-11 08:13:57
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Sony Mobile is sticking with Android, and possibly one or two Firefox OS phones for specific carriers. Nothing else for now.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 08:51:25
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Oh no! Resident Sony critic here again.
One more thing... About the Z1 everywhere is mentioned, and also emphasized, that it is just a prototype, and with the final software camera performance may improve. Since K850 I haven't seen any phone by Sony Ericsson, or Sony with any improvement. The K850 produced even with the final software the same noisy washed out shots with pinkish red colours, as with the first versions, wich was obviously software related. Than appeared the C902, the K850 was completely left behind, and the C902 produced the most vibrant red colours ever by a Sony Ericsson phone (I don't remember with the same camera sensor or it was just a very similar one). So I don't expect any improvement of camera quality. And below a certain lighting level Z1's shots are shameful at full size.
I saw the camera comparison and it easily thrashed the S4, IP5 and more.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 08:53:16
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"Sony Xperia Z2 the next generation smartphone with 4K resolution":
http://toipoi.com/sony-xperia[....]s-features-price-release-date/
• Snapdragon 1200 chipset
• Octa-core processor
• 4K resolution display (recording, not the z2 screen display...), 5.4 inches powered with IGZO+
• 4GB RAM
• 26 MP compact camera powered with extreme low light sensors
true or false?
i tend to think that writer made this spec from his mind, cause previous rumors noted that the Z2 will have 5.2 screen... or maybe sony changed their mind.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-09-11 08:25 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-11 09:14:37
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^
FAKE
Though I do WISH it were true
What we know so far about Z2
5.2 inch 1080p Triluminos
MSM8974AB 2.3 ghz
3 GB RAM
20.7 MP camera
4K Video Capture
So basically a minor upgrade to Z1
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-09-11 08:25 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-11 09:24:06
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On 2013-09-11 09:24:06, randomuser wrote:
^
FAKE
Though I do WISH it were true
What we know so far about Z2
5.2 inch 1080p Triluminos
MSM8974AB 2.3 ghz
3 GB RAM
20.7 MP camera
4K Video Capture
So basically a minor upgrade to Z1
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-09-11 08:25 ]
yeah, agreed. and that writer needs to pay attention to his writings before he post them.... he writes " 4K resolution
display, 5.4 inches powered with IGZO+" in the same sentence while obviously he didn't mean the z2 display will be 4k which is of course can't be true and silly, so in the points he should have to corrected it to"4k resolution
camera..." or "video recording
for 4k resolution
tv display..."
i disagree about "minor upgrades" since we almost know nothing about the z2 yet.
[ This Message was edited by: amirprog on 2013-09-11 08:44 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-11 09:34:18
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@unknownC151A
I've seen some comparisons also. But I've seen full resolutions low light/twilight shots as well. I also know that you have to try personally the camera to find the best possible setting for low light shots -for example manual mode without scene in the case of Xperia ray, sports mode with increased Ev with K850, etc. But full resulotion low light shots are just horrible with Z1.
I would be curious if it would be a comparison with 2008-2009 camera flagships, which one would perform better.
Regarding to my critics I'm just not biased. Unfortunately I criticize Sony, because I see improvements just on paper and list of empty, meaningless brandings. You cannot accuse me of being a Samsung or Apple fan, because regarding Sony Ericsson, I'm still affected the most by Sony, but I just don't like overall the way how Sony approaches the features, specifications, size, price and in some way the design of their phones. I know that their design is still unique, but in the past they were matchless also in presenting many unique designs, not just one/year.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 09:35:49
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Regarding to my critics I'm just not biased. Unfortunately I criticize Sony, because I see improvements just on paper and list of empty, meaningless brandings. You cannot accuse me of being a Samsung or Apple fan, because regarding Sony Ericsson, I'm still affected the most by Sony, but I just don't like overall the way how Sony approaches the features, specifications, size, price and in some way the design of their phones. I know that their design is still unique, but in the past they were matchless also in presenting many unique designs, not just one/year.
So, it's not ok for Sony to price its phone comparable to Samsung's?
So you're telling me that Sammy's plastic "pebble" design is out of the world or can you tell whether HTC One with the "premium" frame, is selling very well? Sony strategy worked. They have been selling more than ever after stepping out of their old ways. If you're not used to the new direction Sony is heading towards, my suggestion is for you to switch to Samsung, for you to admire its stunning pebble design, never changed after Apple sued them.
What do you mean specifications? When Sony placed the S4 SOC on the Xperia Z, you moaned. When they placed the latest S800 CPU, you made even louder noise. You want OIS? Sony can put it, and the thicker frame with the already huge sensor will scare off customers.
I know there's an urge for you to attack Sony at every opportunity, but unfortunately, it simply won't work. Sony already sells more smartphones compared to poor boys, HTC, BB, and Nokia.
Remember, (and I have mentioned this plenty of times)
general consumers don't care about OIS, what variant of SOC is included( the MSM8974AB and MSM8974 made me laugh hard), whether there's a freaking Xenon flash or image quality (and btw, extremely good and better than the S4 in the Z1).
Consumers will and
will continue to look at the paper. 20MP camera, quad core CPU, first design impressions, and the price. Not stupid fanboys crap like Xenon, "let's thicken the phone and add a giant sensor".
Try harder to tarnish Sony's image. You current effort is not enough.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 09:58:33
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On 2013-09-11 09:24:06, randomuser wrote:
^
FAKE
Though I do WISH it were true
What we know so far about Z2
5.2 inch 1080p Triluminos
MSM8974AB 2.3 ghz
3 GB RAM
20.7 MP camera
4K Video Capture
So basically a minor upgrade to Z1
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-09-11 08:25 ]
I'll wait for z2 then and keep my Ultra for the meantime.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 10:46:02
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