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On 2013-09-11 09:24:06, randomuser wrote:
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FAKE
Though I do WISH it were true
What we know so far about Z2
5.2 inch 1080p Triluminos
MSM8974AB 2.3 ghz
3 GB RAM
20.7 MP camera
4K Video Capture
So basically a minor upgrade to Z1
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-09-11 08:25 ]
Sorry if this has already been addressed, but any info on dimensions of Z2 compared to Z1? According to your info here, Z2 screen is slightly larger than Z1. However, I also recall Maia mentioning that the bezel of Z2 would be smaller (or did I get that wrong?).
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Posted: 2013-09-11 10:49:39
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great speech there unknownC151A, agreed
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Posted: 2013-09-11 10:50:54
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@puestadelsol
Your comparison is very unfair, and I'll tell you why. Earlier you are comparing a 20.7 megapixel Z1 against Ray, you said you can achieve better quality with the Ray in lowlight. That is not true, you are basing your comparison on 100% crops alone, you are completely forgetting the megapixel size, not to mention you did not consider the ISO speed and shutter speeds either, which is the most important information when judging a camera's lowlight capabilities.
To have a fair comparison, you either simply downsize Z1's photo to it's competitor (nowadays 13mp) or you upscale your competitor's photo to Z1 size. I can guarantee you that when you put them on equal footing in terms of megapixel size, the Z1 will pull ahead against everyone else except the 808, and most probably tied with 1020.
And guess what? try to look at 1020's full resolution 38 MP shots, they don't look great either, but try looking at 1020's 8mp/5mp shots and they look great. Same logic applies to the Z1.
I'm still puzzled as to why you keep on complaining against Sony, they have nothing against you, nor did they force you to buy their phones but you seem to be angry at them for some reason. You know you can simply buy an 808 if you want an excellent cameraphone and be done with it.
Have you seen the samples at xperia blog with proto firmware? if not have a look:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/09/05/sony-xperia-z1-photo-samples-through-different-firmware-revisions/
or the gsmarena post Z1 and 1020 comparison?
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperia-z1s-20-7mp-snapper-gets-compared-to-nokia-lumia-1020s-41mp-pureview-monster/[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-09-11 10:26 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-11 11:15:57
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@unknownC151A
So you say that if consumers will look the paper than this is the good way to increase selling. If people are willing to pay more for competition's phones, why to make more attractive offerings, this increases profit as well. Exactly these are the aspects what I don't like recently in Sony.
If they would have subdivided this 1/2,3 sensor in Z1 in 3x more pixels to "outshine" Nokia with a 60 Mp sensor, while pictures are unusable above 8 mp resolution you would praise them and would be satisfied the same level? -without any functional feature to be implemented, like Xenon flash, OIS, which features are indeed useful, and, anyway looks good on paper too.
If you haven't noticed I compare Sony's present philosophy with their earlier one, and I don't even mention Samsung's design. I know that the K750 is history yet, but what made it successful is that Sony Ericsson hadn't spared to bring really all it's best (not just on paper, and by marketing, but in real features also), and sold it at a fair price, without watching the competition and struggling to apply the same strategy.
Just notice when I criticize Sony, I'm immediately offended by a fanboy, who gives directly the example of Samsung, etc., it's design, features, pricing policy, and the fact, that following it functions. But Sony could do better, just they should release better, more balanced phones, in size, price, and relying on real features.
I don't care much about SoC, the "500+ ppi" screens, I want a great user experience, and real, useful features. In this term leading chinese manufacturers can offer almost any feature, and specification that Sony does, for even lower price (yes I know that they get subventions from government, but theoretically Sony has the know-how. Doesn't it?) I also don't need a phone with the size and weight of a brick, and Sony haven't presented anything noteworthy below 140 g in 2013.
PS: I also never cried about screens or SoC.
@reeflotz
I don't need Nokia 808, nor Lumia 1020, I want Sony to offer something advancement in photo quality, and sice Xperia arc I can't see remarkable changes.
And yes, sadly I noticed that 1020 full size shots at low light are not perfect either.
What you say about comparison, you have right, but by upscaling 8 mp photos to 20 mp, not by downscaling the 20 mp to 8, but in both cases should not be a challange for Z1 to outperform the 8-13 mp cameras. If 20 mp is just for producing on par or slightly better shots at 8 mp than competition than I think would make more sense to divide that 1/2,3 sensor into just 8 million pixels, but with cristal crisp image quality indeed.
And as long as the 20 mp sensor gives this quality at full resolution, it doesn't make sense to implement 20 mp in phones.
http://images.hardwarezone.co[....]es/sony-xperia-z1/dsc-0091.jpg
Btw, I've already seen worse low light shots too by Z1. But without comparing to anything, at full size you can say that is has poor quality.
I haven't said I achieve better quality with the Ray in lowlight. I said my outdated Xperia ray
could shot
comparable photo, and still there's a difference
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2013-09-11 11:00 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-11 11:26:27
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On 2013-09-10 20:52:40, stedus wrote:
@amirprog: it depends on your taste, some people still like small form factor
I like big screen so the new Iphone 5S won't be in my buying list
Anyway, It will be interesting to see the Z1 Mini go head to head with this 5S
Snapdragon 800 vs A7
20 mpx camera vs the 1.5 micron camera
Triluminos vs IGZO screen
[ This Message was edited by: stedus on 2013-09-10 19:54 ]
Honestly guys, I am a big fan of the latest iteration of the ios
And it fits premiumly in SONY
Hope really XPERIA to switch to ios, it will then sell much more, and also will be differ itself from the crowd aka, LG, SAMSUNG, MOTOROLA, .......
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Posted: 2013-09-11 11:38:37
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@puestadelsol What do the chinese manufacturers offer? Software features? Most of the software features they offer, LG and Samsung included, are highly unpolished, cause the phone to lag and fail to blend in with the systems UI. The UI it's self looks like it was designed by a 10 year old, lacking coherence and consistency. And most of them stubbornly continue to use the menu button breaking the Android ecosystem and in the end causing more problems for the end user.
For the good of the Android ecosystem and all us end users the approach Sony and Motorola have been using should be adopted by all manufactures.
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Posted: 2013-09-11 11:54:09
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On 2013-09-11 11:15:57, reeflotz wrote:
@puestadelsol
Your comparison is very unfair, and I'll tell you why. Earlier you are comparing a 20.7 megapixel Z1 against Ray, you said you can achieve better quality with the Ray in lowlight. That is not true, you are basing your comparison on 100% crops alone, you are completely forgetting the megapixel size, not to mention you did not consider the ISO speed and shutter speeds either, which is the most important information when judging a camera's lowlight capabilities.
To have a fair comparison, you either simply downsize Z1's photo to it's competitor (nowadays 13mp) or you upscale your competitor's photo to Z1 size. I can guarantee you that when you put them on equal footing in terms of megapixel size, the Z1 will pull ahead against everyone else except the 808, and most probably tied with 1020.
And guess what? try to look at 1020's full resolution 38 MP shots, they don't look great either, but try looking at 1020's 8mp/5mp shots and they look great. Same logic applies to the Z1.
I'm still puzzled as to why you keep on complaining against Sony, they have nothing against you, nor did they force you to buy their phones but you seem to be angry at them for some reason. You know you can simply buy an 808 if you want an excellent cameraphone and be done with it.
Have you seen the samples at xperia blog with proto firmware? if not have a look:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/09/05/sony-xperia-z1-photo-samples-through-different-firmware-revisions/
or the gsmarena post Z1 and 1020 comparison?
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperia-z1s-20-7mp-snapper-gets-compared-to-nokia-lumia-1020s-41mp-pureview-monster/
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-09-11 10:26 ]
Interesting comparison .
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Posted: 2013-09-11 12:01:54
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On 2013-09-11 11:38:37, maiaramdan wrote:
Hope really XPERIA to switch to ios, it will then sell much more, and also will be differ itself from the crowd aka, LG, SAMSUNG, MOTOROLA, .......
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Posted: 2013-09-11 12:08:27
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On 2013-09-11 11:26:27, puestadelsol wrote:
@unknownC151A
So you say that if consumers will look the paper than this is the good way to increase selling. If people are willing to pay more for competition's phones, why to make more attractive offerings, this increases profit as well. Exactly these are the aspects what I don't like recently in Sony.
If they would have subdivided this 1/2,3 sensor in Z1 in 3x more pixels to "outshine" Nokia with a 60 Mp sensor, while pictures are unusable above 8 mp resolution you would praise them and would be satisfied the same level? -without any functional feature to be implemented, like Xenon flash, OIS, which features are indeed useful, and, anyway looks good on paper too.
If you haven't noticed I compare Sony's present philosophy with their earlier one, and I don't even mention Samsung's design. I know that the K750 is history yet, but what made it successful is that Sony Ericsson hadn't spared to bring really all it's best (not just on paper, and by marketing, but in real features also), and sold it at a fair price, without watching the competition and struggling to apply the same strategy.
Just notice when I criticize Sony, I'm immediately offended by a fanboy, who gives directly the example of Samsung, etc., it's design, features, pricing policy, and the fact, that following it functions. But Sony could do better, just they should release better, more balanced phones, in size, price, and relying on real features.
I don't care much about SoC, the "500+ ppi" screens, I want a great user experience, and real, useful features. In this term leading chinese manufacturers can offer almost any feature, and specification that Sony does, for even lower price (yes I know that they get subventions from government, but theoretically Sony has the know-how. Doesn't it?) I also don't need a phone with the size and weight of a brick, and Sony haven't presented anything noteworthy below 140 g in 2013.
PS: I also never cried about screens or SoC.
Those so called functional and balanced phones in size and price with so called useful features don't sell at all and neither are able to make a statement ! Sony needs sales right now and in turn a profit from them to help their ailing electronics business !!! This strategy of theirs is indeed the best, it's working superbly(best till now) and suits most of the tech crowd out there. They gotta be popular and they are getting popular !
And btw these tech companies are not social organizations who would look at every person out there and do something for them without looking at their own profits ! What Sony is doing right now is making products that are liked by 99% people and they don't care about the other 1%! So please don't cry/moan about something which is never going to be possible! They won't make a device specifically for your likes and needs! That's it !
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Posted: 2013-09-11 12:10:16
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That's why 99 of 100 people have Sony phones.
Am I the only one who would be happy with a 4"-4.3" screen Xperia, below 120 g, below 120*65mm with Xenon flash, OIS, nHd or HD screen, for about 350 max 400 euro?
Does everybody really need 5"+ screen, 140+ g weight, 13 mp+ camera (picture quality doesn't matter), and 600-700 euro+ price just for the (best of) Sony label? And are the presence of Xenon flash, OIS and compact size higly undesirable?
For example the rumoured Honami mini would be interesting for me, but it will lack the Xenon flash, OIS, and price will be surely above 500 euro. But maybe I'm wrong, and the majority would be happier with this latter device, than the imaginary phone what I described.
[ This Message was edited by: puestadelsol on 2013-09-11 12:01 ]
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Posted: 2013-09-11 12:43:19
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