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Hi mib1800,
Actually i think it is the other way round to be honest Sony joined to give them Brand recognition with what was the great Sony name and used their Walkman and Cybershot names. Then stopped them from making them the best they could be just in case the took any sales from Sony.
If Ericsson were still alone they may not have as large a market share or 50% of current profits but i am willing to bet they would of still been producing a innovative and quality product.
Lets not forget Ericsson used to have B&O speakers and microphones in their phones and always had the best sonics. This was in a time before Music phones but can you imagine a B&O Ericsson Music phone either lacking volume or quality and yes that would of eaten into Sony's Music Player sales and most probably every one else's to and also been the best Music phones bar none.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-12-03 06:47:32
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In my country, K850i just 350 Euro, N95 470Euro., N82 500 Euro, and W910 295 Euro.
In Rupiah's , K850 4.350.000 , N95 6.000.000, N82 6.400.000, W910 3.750.000
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Posted: 2007-12-03 07:23:28
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Just to update my whining thread, I went for the N95 8GB. It has almost everything I need.
The End.
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Posted: 2007-12-15 07:14:48
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I got a N95 used but very clean(and full pack 2gb) for only 400$ means 280 euros!!!
So far it's a great phone in all fields! But to be honest I missed some SE things:
-Better photo quality at night shots
-Easiness of making great themes with SE theme maker,nokia's carbide suc**
-Battery life
-Menu speed
One major difference between a N95 and a K series and that many people forget to say is the built-in speakers,n95 stereo speakers are 3x louder and 5x clearer than any K phone!!!
Anyway I think I will buy a k850 once its price match the money I can get from selling my N95(2 months perhaps)
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Posted: 2007-12-15 12:01:30
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On 2007-12-03 03:25:51, mib1800 wrote:
maybe all these problems of SE is due to internal squabbling.
Well, SONY owns 50% of the venture but gave everything that defines SE like cybershot and walkman. Ericsson just sits on its a** and get 50% of the profit. On top of that SE phones are cannabalising the sales of SONY camera and music player.
actually Ericsson gave a lot to SE including ergonomics and UI design, both aspects of the orginal Sony phones that were lacking imho.
Now SE is it's own company, so apart from branding it's hard to see what is Ericsson and what is Sony influence. But Ericsson also contributes a lot in terms of network and communications expertise and technology, an area in which Sony have virtually zero to offer. Don't forget Ericsson are not sitting on their arse, they are a big player in the telecommunications market. They supply network infrastructure to many of Europe's leading service providers.
You could say the multimedia aspect of SE phones is primarily Sony, and the radio/communications side of SE phones is primarily Ericsson.
There is a tendency to think of SE as simply a branch of Sony, but this is not the case. Ericsson still have a very active role in the partnership.
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Posted: 2007-12-16 01:55:08
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Yes, Ericsson still make the hardware platform that is used in some (not all) SE handsets, plus those of rival manufacturers. And, having reviewed Sony handsets over the years, I can confirm that they were AWFUL.
Sony has in recent years been struggling with various consumer electronic products, and relying heavily on branding and reputation. Until recently they didn't make good TVs, HiFis and their SatNavs are pretty bad too. The PSP didn't go as well as planned (is the PS3 either?) and their reliance on proprietary standards hasn't helped. When they started to support MP3 on music players, and now start to allow the use of microSD cards in their handsets (K850i here and a few in Japan) it shows that as a company, both Sony and SE, are adapting.
The problem is that SE is letting itself go a little. They do need to cut production costs to compete with Nokia, for sure, but they've got to cut costs - not quality. They can't get away without proper testing and development either.
Fingers crossed 2008 will be better. For a start, their UIQ products should be given a massive boost by new features and design. Watch this space!
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Posted: 2007-12-26 00:29:37
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k850i is older than n82, so let's wait to SE's answer to rival with this phone...maybe k860i, P5i or w980i, who knows...
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Posted: 2007-12-26 03:34:31
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or maybe the k850i with a better firmware..
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Posted: 2007-12-26 09:16:51
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On 2007-12-01 12:37:12, jmcomms wrote:
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The P990 was salvaged, eventually, and I believe the K850 will be too - but it's going to have an impact, without a doubt.
And there speaketh a fanboy!!
I don't think P990 was salvaged! Are you kidding?
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Posted: 2007-12-26 10:24:38
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I think it's strange that SE don't combine all their best features, from all theirt devices, into a single handset. This could be marketed as a flagship phone that is also a demonstrator for their specialised ranges, and hence a marketing tool in itself. I also belive such a device would sell well to tech fanatics (I'd certainly be interested), as well as to rich idiots due to it's cool/wow/kudos factor.
In the same way that ferrari etc. keep people interested in cars, let's have a no expense spared, ultra high quality device that the world can drool over. Some would say that apple has this with the iphone, but I believe they made a mistake by placing too many restrictions on its use.
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Posted: 2007-12-26 15:09:48
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