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"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denouce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-Words by Hermann Goering, Hitler's right hand man.
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Posted: 2005-01-28 06:18:05
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On 2005-01-28 06:18:05, neonw wrote:
"The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denouce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-Words by Hermann Goering, Hitler's right hand man.
I'd actually have to agree with that quote (even though it's from a nazi) - patriotism has a lot to answer for, and is an easy way to get entire populations to do your bidding. A bit off topic and not much to do with conspiracy theories, but an interesting quote
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Posted: 2005-01-28 07:30:40
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I don't think the Goering quote is off-topic, sammy. The suggestion that some people have a natural inclination to believe everything their government tells them is all too relevant.
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Posted: 2005-01-28 08:25:49
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I dont believe everything the govt says, in fact i believe very little they say, but it doesnt mean i have to believe in conspiracy theories either, especially some of the more ridiculous ones here!
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Posted: 2005-01-28 12:30:00
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On 2005-01-28 12:30:00, Sammy_boy wrote:
I dont believe everything the govt says, in fact i believe very little they say, but it doesnt mean i have to believe in conspiracy theories either, especially some of the more ridiculous ones here!
One minute your saying that you believe in very little the government says,yet your willing to trust them when it comes to terrorism issues?you can't have it both ways mate!
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Posted: 2005-01-28 17:29:23
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I do feel there is perhaps a little more than meets the eye on things like Gulf War II and the like, but don't think that we or the Americans are directly behind 9/11. Just because either our government or the US government might be been a bit cagey about certain details doesn't make me think that the CIA orchestrated 9/11 or that there were missile pods on those airliners!
I might be more receptive to any theories on JFK's assasination, there was most probably more than meets the eye going on there, but that's a different kettle of fish!
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Posted: 2005-01-28 17:54:13
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On 2005-01-28 12:30:00, Sammy_boy wrote:
I dont believe everything the govt says, in fact i believe very little they say, but it doesnt mean i have to believe in conspiracy theories either, especially some of the more ridiculous ones here!
One minute your saying that you believe in very little the government says,yet your willing to trust them when it comes to terrorism issues?you can't have it both ways mate!
Surely it is possible that it is not entirely an issue about whether or not one entirely believes the US government (although I agree with duncan that perpetuating this whole issue is a very dangerous game, but that is probably the intention) but whether or not one believes the even more preposterous theories presented by the conspiracy theorists. I think part of the problem here is that no matter who you distrust, who you believe and what agendas you think people have (my personal bugbear), the simple fact is that to the Average Joe, their story is
much more plausible than yours
The biggest issue for me is the number of people who would have had to know about the cover up and keep it quiet - that is just a bridge too far in this conspiracy theory as far as I am concerned...
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Posted: 2005-01-28 18:12:10
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Fact is at the end of the day no one is going to prove it either way. The conspiracy theorists will keep coming up with their theories and the there will be a counter claim and it will go on. I've said before about the "perfect conspiracy" and this is probably one one of them. Look at the moon landings, Roswell, Kennedy, Elvis, Monroe, Princess Diana etc. All of them good conspiracies, try proving or disproving them! As soon as one part of the conspiracy theory is proven wrong there will be another, and so on and so on. I think that at the end of the day people need things like conspiracies, it gives them something to think about and its sometimes nice to think that there are things to be researched and discovered.
But think of it this way, if the moon landings were faked, the US does have a pact with aliens and they did kill Kennedy etc and they were involved with the twin towers, how would the US people feel and would the country survive as a "super power"? If it was true and came out how would they be looked at by the rest of the world. I think that is probably the strongest argument for the conspiracy to be rubbish!
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Posted: 2005-01-28 18:13:23
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i also dont believe everything i am told by the goverment and actualy believe some consipresy theories ie jfk aliens.
however i dont see why i should believe the words of some faceless web site writer either, i have looked at both sides and reached my own conclusions.
noone has answered the question as to why they killed 6000 of there own people, yet went to iraq claiming wmds. why couldnt they do this for every other country they wish to enter.or just faked attacks by catching people just before anything happens again that would have been enough to make us citezens feel un safe and again offer an excuse to attack whoever they wish to blame.
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Posted: 2005-01-28 18:16:01
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@axxxr
As I (and others) have tried to articulate time and time again, it is not a black and white issue. Its not like we believe everything the goverment says any more than I believe everything posted on Esato.
Sometimes you have to apply common sense.
So what is more likely:
1) 9/11 was a well executed plan by a group of determined individuals 2) 9/11 was a brilliant fake, involving 100s of people, all of whom have since kept their mouth shut?
If the US government had the ability and will to organise such a conspiracy then how come they didn't plant WMD in Iraq? After it all, how easy would it have been to plant weapons technology that would have justified the war? They occupied the country, could done anything, and still they had to admit that WMD didn't exist.
Your theories aren't even consistant.
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Posted: 2005-01-28 18:56:11
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