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I've seen I300 and unfotunately fogot what Thor looks like. I don't really share your or anyone's enthusiasm for Magneto. So far MS smartfone OSes have been resoce hogs and most phones have failed to be really responsive. I don't think a hard drive in a phone is a good idea. I'm going to wait a while till HDD phones actually hit the market and then maybe I'll change my opinion. When I first started to get interested in mobiles a liked almost all phones and had no preferences. But then looking at what companies had to offer and their stategies I was hooked to SE. At first I was a die hard SE fan, but I'm learning to respect other companies if the y produce something good. Nokia is coming out of a slump and their products for this year seem impressive. Samsung on the other hand, I really can't feel that much respect towards. I feel Samsung mainly just spits out model with almost identical looks and similar specs. While the D500 is one of the best Samsung has ever made I can't tell it from a E800, E810 or E830 and I don't really know their spec differences, the Es that is. With SE they make a good phone for each segment and khalas. A really nice company I think is imate, they seem reliable and stick to their plans, unlike Samsung who have the tendency to announce a lot of phones and cancel half of them. If I wanted a HDD smartphone I'd wait for the imate SP4 or what ever their going to call it, and I wouldn't think the wait will be too long.
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Posted: 2005-06-13 10:28:13
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Welcome the new S600. I just hope it doesn't take too long to get here because I'm definaitely going to buy it. And it has EDGE,for those who need it.
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Posted: 2005-06-13 11:48:56
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Bear in mind that Samsung reached the 3rd world ranking with the line that you've been whining about. Seamingly you missed the point I was trying to make " work with what you have, then what you don't will work for you". The D500 marks a new era for Samsung, and aslo marks a different strategy towards the worldwide mobile telecom market. It may come as a surprise for you that it's the first Samsung phone with bluetooth!
And why would you think that a hard drive in a phone is not a good idea? It's simply the next step for mobiles. And yes you will definately change your opinion because it's going to be the trend, and obviously you can't stand in the face of a tidal wave.
And now for MS smartphones. what operating system does your computer have?!
When Nokia first came up with smartphones, there was this "ooh, who's gonna do with such phones?"
And now, the smartphone segment is eating away from all other segments like wild fire. It's even forcing Nokia to terminate certain platforms and be replaced by them (Series 40 for example).
MS phones are the future for mobiles. As simple as that. MS OS will dominate and take out everything else by 2010. They will be the vogue that no single operator can miss. You can't fight progress. Remember the base they have, 9 out of 10 of the worlwide computer users are familiar with MS Windows. Powerful ratio.
Finally for the imate. That's another totally different talk. It's a totally different ball game. And just bear in mind that smart phones are to also take out PDAs by 2008.
[ This Message was edited by: mahora on 2005-06-13 15:25 ]
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Posted: 2005-06-13 15:38:09
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1. Sometimes working with what you have is good, but copying a design over and over again is just pushing it.
2. I will change my mind on HDD in phones once I'm 100% sure that dropping my phone off the table won't mean I'm going to need a new phone and that the HDD isn't going to eat up the battery.
3. I don't think MS OS will dominate anytime soon and not even by 2010. While smartphones are still selling less than regular phones and you could say that their share is increasing, I think regular phones will still have a big if not bigger share in the market for a long time to come. You obviousely aren't 100% aware of what got announced tody. Nokia announced some phones using 3rd generation of S40 using QVGA screens, obviousely they didn't see much future for their square 208x208, so S40 has every chance to get strong again vs.S60. Also I think the K750 is then last 220x176 in its class from
. With companies increasing their screen resolutions and sizes I think people will be looking more at "dumb" phones again espesially if their specs start maching those of smartphones. And MS will not win easily nor soon. Remember another thing about Windows, people prefer it because it plays games and has more eyecandy. MS mobile doesn't have the eyecandy. Some day when governments crush down on piracy we'll switch to Linux. We mostly use pirated versions of software. Another thing in Linux is its getting easier to install, which is the main hurdle, and is getting more eyecandy and user friendly. Another thing MS widows is losing is games. While the past year brought very few good games to the PC, consoles had tons of great games. MS and Sony are going to try their best to get us gaming on their consoles. Another thing is that with a console is you don't have to upgrade your graphics card every other year to play games, not to mention your RAM, processor and motherboard. And this isn't my opinion alone, its mostly from Hatim Kantawalla's collumn in PC Mag this month, that's regarding PCs and gaming. I sincerely think MS is going to have a lot to deal with in the coming years. Although at the end of the day or decade I think we'll have the best anyone has to offer whether MS or any other rival.
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Posted: 2005-06-13 17:05:21
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- They have been pushing it, and you know what? It’s working, otherwise they wouldn’t be ranking 3rd, going on for 1st.
- If you’re so worried about device durability, then why bother with all the modern gadgets. Buying gadgets means you give credit to those who built them, otherwise why pay the money? Wanna play it safe? Get a G-shock everything.
- The reason why MS will dominate the scene for smart mobiles is that MS will set its heart to winning this market, after the global saturation with the worldwide market for PCs. Just read between the lines in the press release for Magneto here:
http://www.microsoft.com/pres[....]y05/05-10WindowsMobile5PR.mspx
- Nokia only announced (1) phone running S40, not “some phones”. It’s one of the last breaths in a dying corpse. Compare how many S40 phones are released every Q to the S60 phones, then you'll know where things are going. For more info, check the impressions here:
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia6230i-en.shtml
As for how far MS is willing to go, check here:
http://insight.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,39020463,39197792,00.htm
, and here:
http://www.mobilepipeline.com/47902950
- Don't brag much about using pirated versions of s/w, otherwise you'll be legally liable. And Linux? it's still in its cradle, and it will take a very long time for it to go up against the 9/10 giant. Anyone with proper judgement can see that.
- And games? Come on
[ This Message was edited by: mahora on 2005-06-13 20:13 ]
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Posted: 2005-06-13 19:08:53
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-Ok I understand what Samsung is doing and I can see its working. All I'm stating is why I don't really like it as a brand in total.
-On HDDs in phones. Yes, any electronic device of yours can break if it falls. But HDDs have moving parts and are even more liable to break. I don't drop my phone that often but a couple of falls maybe all it takes.And saying that its going to be like a tidal wave is quite wrong. How many Gadgets can you name with HDDs, I wouldn't call a laptop a gadget.
-MS will push magneto a lot, that's one thing for sure. What I'm trying to say is sartphones are loosing their edge over 'dumb' phones. MS magneto is going to work on QVGA screens in upcoming smartphones like I300. QVGA is a really high resolution on 1.8"-2.2" screens but is Magneto going to be the only OS to run on that resolution? NO. Afew months back when it seemed that 208x208 was the way to go for s40 you could clearly see that nokia was going to push s60 a lot more than s40 espesially in the mid-high segment. Now nokia has announced two phones on the new s40 with QVGA screens. I think 208x208 will be left for low end phones and for that part of the market a screen like that would look brilliant.
Smartphones started out for professionals and are going back to being for professionals. You might see that as a funny statement but there are signs. Ask yourself, what does an average person see in a smartphone? I think he mostly sees big good screen and multimedia capabilities. And I see 'dumb' phones doing just well with improving their multimedia capabilities. Nokia signed an agreement with MS to put Mediaplayer in Nokia's phones, while I don't know if its going to be solely for smartphones I wouldn't be surprised if it weren't.
-I din't brag about using pirated software. I actually hate piracy. The fact is that almost every PC in Egypt has some pirated software on it. Big companies and people that have deep pockets might be an exception but most Egyptians use pirated software and that is a fact. Even people that buy their PCs through, hasiib likol beit, sure they get an original copy of windows and maybe office ,but then what? Their friends tell them they need an antivirus and so on and offer to bring them their HDD. What I do believe is MS should reduce their prices and make their product regionalised like DVDs. After regionalising and reducing their prices they'll need to start public awareness then finally come down on piracy. Abroad when you buy a certain amount of hardware, say a motherboard, cpu and ram not even a whole PC, you are liable for an OEM copy of windows. An OEM copy would cost you aprox. $99 whole a copy off the shelf would cost $199-$299. Obviousely in a country where an expensive PC is considered to start at LE4000, howmany would know and even bother about an OEM copy of windows costing LE600 if the shop is willing to give you everything you want free of charge. MS is going to have to work with the price and mentallity. I don't think having to activate windows is the answer. I think regionalising the ditrubutions and pricing each region acourding to its economy. Regions don't have to be geographic.
-So you don't take gaming seiousely. I know here in Egypt computer gaming started later than other places in the world like the US so the generation that grew up playing computer games is younger and we still consider games for kids. Once people my age grow up I think the mentality will change. Anyways, we all know everything in this world is about money. Did you know that the biggest one day sales in the history of entertainment record is held by a game, Halo 2; $125 million in one day. And you'll laugh at me for bringing up gaming. Last year didn't bring many good PC games, the only big ones were Doom3 and Half-Life 2 and Splinter cell. And Doom3 was only about graphics. And in the RTS area there were only Warhammer 40000 and Rome: total war, and still they aren't as good as people want, RTS being strictly PC based. On the other hand consoles seemed to have tonnes of great games last year.
You also don't seem to know about the amount of money gamers put into the PC market. Extreme gamer are a target for almost every company in the world. Afterall gamers are all about bragging rights and getting higher framerates. But if console makers keep on attracting the good games, PC gamers might get tired of the constant upgrading their hardware with ever more expensive hardware and not getting the great games they expected to play, the logical sequence is to get a console and get back gaming. Of course this always means PC equipment makers will invest more in gaming producers to make great games and regain their costumers. The final result is an even bigger gaming based industry which you currently don't take seriousely.
And another thing, Sony has failed to launch their PSP in Europe and then eventually MEA because the demand is so high in the US and Japan. Even worse for me is this high demand is the price is going to take fo ever to go down to the price they had originally planned to sell the PSP at slightly under $200. Sony has sold more than 5 million PSP since its release and is considering getting a taiwanese ODM to produce the PSP to help cope with demand.
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Posted: 2005-06-14 10:36:12
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I understand the background from which your views are coming from. Yet, it's not a matter of personal opinions and speculation, it's a matter of marketing, and industry evolution. Check out the following and try to discover the future trends of the mobile telecom industry:
(If the graphs don't show up, refer to links provided)
[ This Message was edited by: mahora on 2005-06-21 00:47 ]
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Posted: 2005-06-14 19:18:02
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I'm not against EDGE if you think I am. Its just that the jump to UMTS seems more reasonable. EDGE will give you more bandwidth than GPRS but not much more. You could probably stream video on EDGE but that would be the max. I don't know how big of an investment EDGE is compared to 3G, but EDGE is basically only a stepping stone and 3G will eventually prevail as a standard for a longer time, and I'd think the return on investment would be higher.
I'm mostly against MS for a good reason. Any market needs competition. Look at the PDA market, Palm OS is definaitely the better OS with it needing less resoces and being easier to use. But what made MS sucsessful was it pushing more multimedia functions and making its OS make sense for people to use. In the phone market it seems companies are giving consumers almost everything the want without being OS sensitive. Even non smartphones can have Java apps so I don't see the need for everyone to go windows, well not everyone just most of us. I want Linux to get stronger in PC so MS will stop being so sloppy with its Windows and ship it with a lot less security holes.
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Posted: 2005-06-15 09:12:45
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EDGE triples the normal speed you get with ordinary GPRS. The cost is limited to making some minor s/w & h/w changes on the BSC & BTS levels. Operator driven studies have indicated that for a GSM operator to upgrade a GPRS capable network for EDGE working is approximately 7 - 15% of total initial GSM investment.
So in comparison to 3G, which requires drastic replacements to the already existing network, it seems a pretty viable solution.
But after all, we'll see how things finally unfold.
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Posted: 2005-06-15 19:46:42
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Yes I agree it does give you three times the bandwidth of GPRS. An important point about 3G is each BTS can support 5 times as many users, there for in crouded areas like any downtown area the number of BSTs required is a lot smaller. Another thing is 3G brings a lot of services that be worth advertising like video calling and downloads and all, but espesially video calling. I know that people won't use video calling much just like people used MMS a few times at the begining and then went back to SMS, but you're advertising something completly new. Anything new means headsets and I think maybe finally, contracts. When you look at EDGE you use it if your phone supports it but you wont likely go out of your way to get an EDGE equipted phone, you might look for EDGE if your thinking of a new phone however. I have no idea why I'm siding with the marketing side when their job is to get us to pay as much money as humanly possible, maybe 3G afterall is "higher tech"
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Posted: 2005-06-15 21:47:45
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