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@ Ryan - cobblers yourself! I rarely if ever forcibly close Safari, iPod, or any other app, but my battery life is perfectly respectable - up to two days when I need it to be (that's with email polling hourly and the usual few calls, texts, games, lots of browsing etc).
I'm well used to the Symbian and Windows Mobile worlds where you obsessively monitor these things with task managers and shut everything down regularly for fear of slowdowns, crashes, and your battery life pouring away. In my experience the iPhone is *not* like that at all, at least in its stock form. Ok, so you might get another ten minutes out of it if you constantly shut things down, but it's not a necessity or a significant factor, and really not worth worrying about IMHO - it'll just interrupt your enjoyment of the phone and uneccessarily slow things down.
The *only* time I've felt the need to hold down buttons is when another app complains of low memory - that's the only time it's been an issue for me in 8-9 months of ownership...
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-07-01 12:48 ]
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Posted: 2009-07-01 13:45:59
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LOL @Boinng has a magic iPhone, whose battery last for days!!!
The iPhone is notorious for it's poor battery life, most people are unjailbroken and their batt. dies before the day is out. Two days with lots of use, I find difficult to believe...but if you say so...
Either way, it is a FACT if you leave Safari or iPod in the background it will drain battery (do some googling) They're still running afterall, as if you were in the app. I can't see how you think that does not impact on the battery life?
Anyway I find that keeping things tight on battery adds fun to the user experience. Neglecting it by leaving things running is sloppy
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Posted: 2009-07-01 14:30:02
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I usually charge at work (on USB) but when I take it home on Friday it won't need the charger again till Sunday night, that's good enough for me. I can guarantee both Safari and the iPod app will be running in the background the whole time too. Of course everyone's mileage varies, and if you use the thing constantly it'll run down a lot quicker, but that's useage - the brightly lit screen, active data connection, active calls, etc - not a few processes held in memory by a strictly limited number of background apps.
They're still running afterall, as if you were in the app. I can't see how you think that does not impact on the battery life?
That's the thing though - they're not still running "as if you were in the app", are they? Assuming you're not using the iPod, for example, it's not doing anything - not decoding or playing any music or video files, not keeping the screen alive, nothing - it's just remembering where you are in the playlist. Safari also goes dormant - it does nothing until you open it again (at which point it will resume downloading whatever you left it with). Apple designed these core apps knowing - expecting even - that *nobody* would be manually quitting them, so they're tightly and efficiently integrated into the OS, designed to occupy a small footprint and not use up the juice. It's the same principle that keeps the Phone and Messages app alive at all times too - or would you kill those as well if you had the chance?
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Posted: 2009-07-01 16:08:24
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i like the iphone...
just to break things up... anyone played blowfish? its addictive and hard to get past level 8!
J.
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Posted: 2009-07-01 16:13:01
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just to add to the discussion, using the processes tab of sbsettings i always notice that safari sometimes uses about 30-40mb of RAM just sitting the background doing nothing
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Posted: 2009-07-01 16:38:29
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@Boinng However you try and dress it up, those apps are running. They are not dormant when you hit the home button. They are still open. Notice the difference in behaviour between a force quit & then open the app, and a minimize to home screen and then reopen the app? It's not just remembering where you left off - the app is still running! Maybe the iPhone isn't taking upon itself to have a party while you're gone...playing a tune or browsing the web as it sees fit while you're looking the other way, but it doesnt mean it's not running!
How do you explain then being able to double click the home button when the iPod app is as you say 'dormant' and you can carry on playing music where you left off without having to boot the app again? Thats right, 'cos it's still open, consuming memory, consuming battery.
When they are running in the background, they are consuming RAM... and RAM being consumed = battery drain.
Messages app alive at all time? Eh? It saves&quits. Messages is not running at all times.
@NoKia
Exactly!! How can something that is consuming that much RAM in the background NOT be consuming battery?
[ This Message was edited by: RyaN on 2009-07-01 15:41 ]
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Posted: 2009-07-01 16:41:14
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I've not said they aren't running, I just don't agree with you that they're still running "as if you were in the app", because they aren't - simple as that. They're
designed to sit in the background without causing problems, and that's what they do. I've not said they don't use memory either, I'm just pointing out that in my real world experience they don't have any serious impact on battery life.
Put it this way - I've just spent the last 8-9 months having no real worries about battery life (at least compared to previous smartphones, all of which genuinely HAD to have background processes terminated as often as possible), no desire to install any form of task manager, no concerns about whether the app I closed was really closed at all, and all the advantages of having Safari, iPod, Mail etc open as quickly as possible whenever they were needed. Should I start worrying now? I don't think so
The people who routinely complain about iPhone battery life are the people who either (a) never had a big-screen smartphone before, or (b) didn't actually use their big-screen smartphone before, and therefore never realised just how much of your "phone battery" can actually get wiped out by browsing, gaming, music, email, and all the other non-phone like things a device like the iPhone ends up being used for on a daily basis. It's nothing to do with background apps, which - by design - the iPhone limits to tightly integrated core apps anyway - unless you jailbreak, at which point you may well be using any number of apps that don't shutdown, don't powersave, aren't properly integrated (or may be conflicting with other processes) and so on.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2009-07-01 17:21 ]
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Posted: 2009-07-01 17:08:59
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What do Boinng and the pope have in common ?, they both claim to be infallible
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Posted: 2009-07-01 18:59:19
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On 2009-07-01 18:59:19, MWEB wrote:
What do Boinng and the pope have in common ?, they both claim to be infallible
WTH does this have to do my infallibility, or cheap pope jokes for that matter? All I'm doing here is giving a truthful account of my daily experience with an un-jailbroken iPhone over the last 9 months, in the context of my equivalent usage of a string of other smartphones in the past. Do you have that same experience? Can you tell me I'm wrong, that my battery life is bad when it isn't, that I should be manually closing down apps that I've never needed to before? I doubt that.
I turn off 3G, wifi and location services when I'm not using them - that's common sense. I turn off my work email account when I don't need to be reading it, for my own sanity as much as anything else (although my exchange calendar and contacts are always in sync). When I start managing open processes and background apps, and fiddling around with programmes with names like "sbpsettings" to monitor what my phone is doing, then one of the biggest achievements of the iPhone will be lost, and I may as well go back to one of the POS phones I found myself "managing" before..
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Posted: 2009-07-01 19:52:05
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I agree with Boinng, I find the iphone battery to last a lot longer than my previous smartphone (htc diamond), and I won't jailbreak and apply tweaks/themes etc on iphone because it will remember me WM6. That's why I love my iphone, because I don't need to modify things every 2 days like on wm or UIQ
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Posted: 2009-07-01 23:43:45
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