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A slightly naive comment. Jailbreak is A LOT more than just themes and tweaks. The main one being able to use an awesome app called GriP which handles Push notifications properly unlike the poorly thought out, intrusive design by Apple.

You dont 'need' to modify things, but it's half the fun of using a device IMO.

Enjoy your iPhone as it is tho yeah



Actually programs like SBSettings are a massive acheivement. You base you comment on little or no knowledge of what this app does.

But anyway, trying to get this thread back on the rails... How is everyone finding the Push system in general? More and more apps are coming out (slowly) with support, HeyWay is a cool little app which allows you to share your location with someone quickly and easily. I'm still waiting for a dedicated Twitter client with Push 'cos IM+ sucks tbh, I always seem to get the push notification twice for each message.

Also has anyone played the new version of Flight Control over local wi-fi? Any good?

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Posted: 2009-07-02 10:48:19
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Is Peio's comment really more naive than installing third party always-resident software on top of Apple's own push notification system and then lecturing the rest of us on how to maximise battery life?



For you it is, for me (and I guess Peio) it's precisely no fun at all, because we've both had phones where you *did* need to tweak and modify all these things, and when it's a chore it's a bore. One of the biggest selling points of the iPhone is the fact that it simply works well as intended, background processes and all, and that's how I enjoy using the phone. Having tried most of the competition I agree with Apple's approach to third party apps, and the protection given to the core stuff from tweaks and third party add-ons, and whether you agree or not I'm making an informed choice not to jailbreak my phone. Is it a coincidence that my battery life isn't a problem, while you're obsessively shutting down background apps to save juice? Who can say.



No, I base my comment on the fact that one of the crowning achievements of the iPhone is that it's a useable smartphone that doesn't require software like sbsettings. It's no judgment on sbsettings, I'm sure it's just dandy, but it's something you have chosen to use for your own reasons, not something I need to have on my phone.
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Posted: 2009-07-02 11:51:41
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I'm not lecturing anyone on how to save battery life, I was merely pointing out or rather trying to help people. No need to get on your high horse about it

When it's a chore it's a bore? Exactly. Not that you care but what SBSettings enables you to do it toggle wifi, 3G, bluetooth etc etc without having to go through a series of drawn out pushes to turn these things off. Now that's a chore in my book.

And I would hardly say i'm obsessively closing down apps with SBSettings...hardly ever in fact. All I ever close down with it is Safari and iPod. Apart from Mail and Phone nothing else stays in the background

Again, dress it up how you want, but the fact is there are shortfalls with the way Apple implemented certain things IMO, but if you're happy with the way you use you phone then good, cos I couldn't really care less. Certain people don't know what the jailbreak brings so I merely post for the benefit of people that are interested to know what their options are.
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Posted: 2009-07-02 12:17:27
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"shortfalls" on the iphone Ryan , that's a bit like waving a red rag at a bull where Boinngs concerned
I value your unbiased opinion and enormous experience on this greatly!
Hugely enjoying my 3G S BTW
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Posted: 2009-07-02 13:42:32
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well on any iphone jailbroken or not, having safari in the background hogging 40mb of ram will have a performance impact whether u want to admit to it or not, having safari and ipod open in the background and then running a navigation program like navigon( or even some games) will cause the app to display a memory warning and crash back to the springboard or it will run sluggishly, the only way to solve this in a stock non-jailbroken phone is to reboot it or go around reopening and force closing all open apps, now to claim this is an example of the brilliant apple memory handling capabilities is laughable
Obviously everyone has their own preference of how they want to use their device and we can all respect that, but lets not bury our heads in the sand and pretend there are no issues
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Posted: 2009-07-02 13:44:03
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@MWEB Lol Yes, it's hard for some people to believe that Apple's design isn't flawed. Personally I feel Apple engineers have pinched many ideas from third party apps over the years cos they're too damn lazy to think of proper functional ideas themselves OR it just takes em far to long to think them up! In a way to a certain extent the App Store has become the brainchild for the whole system whereby Apple get other people to do the leg work for them and then reap the benefits. For example apps like 'Camera Zoom' in the App Store adds a simple yet necessary function to a poorly designed stock Apple app.

I'm pleased you're getting on with the iPhone this time round though

@NoKia - Amen to that dude
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Posted: 2009-07-02 14:06:43
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@Ryan - nobody's saying Apple's way of doing things is perfect. What I'm saying is that it's quite workable for most people, and the need for hacks, tweaks, and jailbroken apps is FAR less than that on pretty much any other smartphone platform. Symbian, Windows Mobile, of course you need a task manager, of course you need to force close apps, and of course you need a whole host of UI-addons, tweaks and improvements just to make it workable and address the many shortcomings in the generally very poor design of their UIs. With the iPhone? Not so much. Tapping a few on screen buttons with your thumb to toggle the wifi, for example, is nothing compared to having to whip a stylus out and delve into a tabbed control panel. So while something like SBsettings is an unquestionable MUST on other platforms, it's only ever going to be a "quite nice" on the iPhone, and "quite nice" doesn't necessarily pay the bills.

@MWEB - always nice to hear from you.

@NoKia - I've already mentioned the memory issues, yes that can happen, no it doesn't happen often, no I've never said that it was a perfect situation, what it isn't is a big problem or one that has any significant impact on my battery life, given that I don't close those apps down and my battery life pretty much equals or marginally betters that of most other iPhone users as far as I can see. I'm guessing you probably see a lot more memory shortages than I do if you also have a long list of apps like sbsettings, Grip, winterboard etc all sitting in the background.
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Posted: 2009-07-02 14:07:32
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Ryan, did u get round to fixing your phone? did they give u a new one?
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Posted: 2009-07-02 14:08:51
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Not yet - i've had a failed visit to White City (no Genuis Bar slots) and also when I could get to the Bluewater store they had zero availability, but that was the around the weekend of the 3GS launch so i'm not surprised!

My limited warranty runs out on August 7th, so as long as I get to a store before then all is good.

The Concierge guy in the White City store inspected my phone though and said straight out that they would just swap it out for a brand new one.

A store is opening up in Brighton soon - but I dont think soon enough for me!
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Posted: 2009-07-02 14:25:59
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I last heard that Brighton is due to open in September, and that will suit you and me both. Its about time they had one down our way.
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Posted: 2009-07-02 14:31:56
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