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I'm not laughing at killing them mate, that's sick. I was laughing in a fun way at how sneaky my cat can be. You treat every non-vegetarian as some animal hater what's the point in that? Let's freaking attack each other shall we? That's real natural in'it.
I care about animals just as much as you do.
Human diets throughout the world are supplemented by protein from animals because the land just can't yield enough protein and animo acids from grain and rice alone.
Which 3 billion of the 5 billion of us here should die to prevent the deaths of animals for food? Perhaps you should be one of them since you think you are so much more committed to animal welfare than non-vegetarians?
You weren't even bothered to respond to my argument because of your arrogant presumption of righteousness. What would you do if hunted down by a lion as it tears into you with a look of glee on it's face? Would you still think they have compassion?
Your argument has no logic. You say we are equal to them, yet we can't do as they do (kill to eat).
Everyone has their view and like you said yourself the lion kills to eat.
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Posted: 2005-09-08 18:58:07
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@786, i never said ALL Animal killings are bad. Killing an animal for food or to make use of its body parts for human consumption while we have other comparitively humane means is bad is what i said all along.... Let me repeat, a lion killing an "innocent" deer is not bad or cruel, its natural..
Just like me killing and eating a animal is natural..it's a way of life for me im happy for you being a vegin as it does not effect my life but dont preach to me about what is right and wrong..As im sure there is Leather in your life one way or another..
I fed a Cow A hamburger one time and low and behold the thing ate it......Canabalism anyone
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Posted: 2005-09-09 00:27:19
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@amnesia, you say if we werent meant to eat meat our body would reject the food, we arent supposed to get cancer, our body doesnt reject that
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Posted: 2005-09-09 00:34:25
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I thought only threads on religion and politics ended up being labelled contovertial....Add another topic to the list
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Posted: 2005-09-09 01:25:00
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you're comparing a disease with food.
however if you wanted to be technical, we do reject it, by dieing!
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Posted: 2005-09-09 04:04:48
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Welcome whiz to vegetarian club, where i have been for the last 5 years.
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Posted: 2005-09-09 04:55:05
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Quote:Actually have you ever seen a cat stalk a bird, no compassion there. Have you seen dogs rip apart a rabit and NOT eat it, just do it for fun? My point is that animals don't kill for fun, they do it to survive. But they don't necessarily understand that their food source has feelings though, which is why they can have fun at another animals
I've been saying that all along! Just to remind, i'm not a tree hugging, hyper-active animal lover!
But i do care for them!
Quote:They will however have compassion for their own kind in certain circumstances, and even for other species, but it is rare in nature
I have seen animals compassion...but we really can't say its "compassion" because it is a human quality and we are comparing animals with our set of values..while they do not have any values at all!
Btw, some lions do kill cubs fathered by other lions..which i believe is to increase the chances of his offsprings to rule the roost. This' to us is gruesome and pathetic but its perfectly natural for lions as they do not possess compassion!
Quote:Animals are not defenseless creatures, you completely dishonour them by saying that. Many of them kill every day.
Agreed! But even a teenager can kill an Elephant or a Rhino
if he has a gun with him! I agree with you when you say they ain't defenceless! But give a human a gun and suddenly every animal...no matter how big or fierce is a puppet at his hands!
Quote:An animal on the other hand, because of it's lack of knowledge of the suffering of it's prey, will have fun playing with it's food until there is almost no life left and then start eating it's prey before it is even dead. The animal suffers no karmic debt for this, since it can't understand the true suffering involved.
Very true indeed! Agreed whole-heartedly!
Quote:The human will not suffer karmic debt just for killing and eating an animal, sine that is necessary for survival.
As stated earlier, i agree with this too..But i definitely do not think we NEED animal flesh for survival. We eat it because of cultural reasons or just because we like to eat it!
No one i have ever met have told me he eats non veg to survive! He eats it because he likes it! Of course this doesn't apply to a poor, hungry destitute who haven't eaten for days and finds an animal and kills it for his hunger.
Quote:You treat every non-vegetarian as some animal hater what's the point in that?
Atleast i do not.
Quote:Your argument has no logic. You say we are equal to them, yet we can't do as they do (kill to eat).
Being "equal to them! Does it mean we start doing all those things which they do? I've always maintained that animals are "different". But they have as much right to live as we have.
Quote:What would you do if hunted down by a lion as it tears into you with a look of glee on it's face? Would you still think they have compassion?
I won't ever tread into a forest without a gun!
If a lion attacks me and of course he won't feel any compassion for me! If i have no choice, i'd use the gun to "get him off me" but my intention would be to injure it not to kill..But anyway, i wonder if we would have the time and ability to think about the lions frame of mind or his fate while we are being attacked!
Anyway, a lion attacking us would be due to our own folly. We are at the wrong place dude!
Some things which i again want to clarify is that, i do not consider non vegetarians as cruel, mindless killers who have no sympathy or humanity left in them!
But i do not support rearing animals, killing them
for food and monetary reasonsno matter how "humanely" it is done.
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Posted: 2005-09-09 07:57:07
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Hmm...I think it is as much a personal choice of whether to smoke or not, as it is to eat meat or be a vegetarian.....talking bout the right to live....non smokers have as much right to live as their stick puffing counterparts ( me incuded) but tend to be more affected by the effects of passive smoking....and this has been proven ad nauseum...given a choice...id rather quit smoking but remain a meat eater...at least im not endangering the lives of my own....and i have seen enough vegans in my smoking life than meat eaters
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Posted: 2005-09-09 08:23:00
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thats india for you mrao, its a different story in the UK, hardly anyone is vegan
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Posted: 2005-09-09 08:33:56
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@solid praaji, ....are you saying that if someone who smokes 45 sticks a day, with a wife and kids, were to be given a choice ...* Smoke and endanger the life of your closest ones OR eat meat and your loved ones do not run a risk * ...what would he choose??
I think this choice is not limited by geographical boundaries....im positive the choice would be the same, whether its the UK, India, USA, Ghana, Uzbekistan or any dot on the globe, for that matter.....thats the essential nature of the beast....i have digressed from the core topic....but in essence the argument is based on the same premise.. Its purely a matter of personal CHOICE...it has nothing to do with values or morality
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