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If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
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Posted: 2008-01-25 10:24:51
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Thats because some of them decided not to evolve.
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Posted: 2008-01-25 10:34:00
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On 2008-01-25 10:24:51, methylated_spirit wrote:
If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
The theory of evolution suggests all primates on earth today, including humans and monkeys, share a common ancestor. That is, in the past a species of primate that was not a monkey or human or any other current primate but an earlier species of primate, led through the process of evolution to the humans, monkeys apes etc that we have today. (not that humans evolved from actual monkeys)
The primate species humans evolved from, is no longer living, exactly as you rightly wondered if we could still have monkeys in the world if we had evolved from them. There are very few species (other than some plants and loads of bacteria) that stop evolving and continue to survive, hence a species rarely get's to meet it's own genetic ancestors. Cousin and siblings yes, ancestors no.
Humans are often claimed to be "cousins" to Chimpanzees by zoologists: "chimps and humans share nearly 99 percent of the same DNA". But the idea of humans descending from actual monkeys is a myth perpetuated by religious leaders in Charles Darwin's time to discredit his theory of evolution and to scare the population who thought it was an insult to be compared to a monkey. Mind you, those same religeous people would have been offended by the idea that negro people are "human" too. So I don't think I put any faith in what they say. Personally it wouldn't bother me if I was descended from a monkey. Mokey is probably about a 3rd cousin, so it's okay
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Posted: 2008-01-25 11:38:12
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Ah
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Posted: 2008-01-25 11:58:38
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On 2008-01-25 11:38:12, max_wedge wrote:
On 2008-01-25 10:24:51, methylated_spirit wrote:
If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
The theory of evolution suggests all primates on earth today, including humans and monkeys, share a common ancestor. That is, in the past a species of primate that was not a monkey or human or any other current primate but an earlier species of primate, led through the process of evolution to the humans, monkeys apes etc that we have today. (not that humans evolved from actual monkeys)
I for one did not evolve from any monkey
, not even my family
I stroghly support the combination of religion and science
The primate species humans evolved from, is no longer living, exactly as you rightly wondered if we could still have monkeys in the world if we had evolved from them. There are very few species (other than some plants and loads of bacteria) that stop evolving and continue to survive, hence a species rarely get's to meet it's own genetic ancestors. Cousin and siblings yes, ancestors no.
Humans are often claimed to be "cousins" to Chimpanzees by zoologists: "chimps and humans share nearly 99 percent of the same DNA". But the idea of humans descending from actual monkeys is a myth perpetuated by religious leaders in Charles Darwin's time to discredit his theory of evolution and to scare the population who thought it was an insult to be compared to a monkey. Mind you, those same religeous people would have been offended by the idea that negro people are "human" too. So I don't think I put any faith in what they say. Personally it wouldn't bother me if I was descended from a monkey. Mokey is probably about a 3rd cousin, so it's okay
If we share almost the same dna with those animals, why cant it be said that they evolved from us even though I know for a fact that we did not.
Remember the word by God which said
Let there be people
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Posted: 2008-01-25 15:32:18
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@twometere, you missd the whole point. No one but creationists are saying Man evolved from monkeys.
No Evolutionist has ever claimed that Man evolved from monkeys. What they claim is that we evovled from some kind of primate that existed millions of years ago. They claim monkeys and chimps ALSO evolved from this same primate. That primate has since died out. They NEVER claimed that YOU or anyone that ever lived evolved from monkeys (except other monkeys).
If you can't be bothered to understand the basic's of the theory then you aren't qualified to make an argument against it on scientific grounds. Religious and emotional yes, but your argument holds no LOGIC.
You just can't do science without LOGIC. Yes, the religious feelings are important, but they are not proof of anything. They are feelings, they are personal, and they cannot be enforced on anyone else. However, logic is an absolute value that applies to everyone equally, whether they believe it or not. Hence the apple falls on your head, whether you believe in gravity or not. When people agree on a standard of LOGIC to rule over emotion in science, there is a good reason for this. Science would fall apart if it was guided by the whims of all the different church doctines. It must be guided buy cool calculating logic, and driven by the passion of the scientist to discover the absolute truth, not the truth that suits this or that religious pressure group.
The very purpose of creationist science is to discover the proof of the literal interpretation of the bible. This is anti-science, since the hypothesis is treated as fact from very the beginning. A true scientist has an open mind and doesn't presume to know the answers before he or she starts to investigate.
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Posted: 2008-01-27 12:04:33
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God doesn't exist people..
No two ways about it... fictional character created to try and keep people living in a certain way. While I have great admiration for those who an believe, I also wonder how then can be so blinkered as to believe God exists.
Evolution happens all around us... take the humble mobile phone for example.. 15 years ago, all they did was make calls, now they make calls, send texts, send MMS, have 5mp cameras on, have internal GPS... and before you all bite my head off, I know thats technology but just showing you that evolution does work!
As for human evolution, if evolution didn't exist, why would the predominant hair colour in Scandinavia be blonde? Why do Far Eastern people have wider, smaller aperture eyes? why are eskimos very small? why do ALL Arabs have black hair? Why are there white and black people in the world? (All the pictures I've seen of Adam and Eve have depicted them to be white......)
You can't argue that the above points I've mentioned aren't valid, they have all adapted to their surroundings, black people for example... where are they originally from? Africa, Native Australians, African-Americans, Caribaeans and Other Islands, they have evolved black skin to suit there surroundings, black skin has more melanin in the skin, melanin being a natural pigment found is nature that helps protect the skin from sunlight... Sunlight being found in oodles in Africa, Australia etc etc..
I refute the big bang theory, but I do agree with evolution, I just don't know where it began.
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Posted: 2008-01-27 12:23:01
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@fatreg
So you have admiration for us but think we're blinkered? Why then do you admire us believers? It doesn't make sense. I think you're only fooling yourself with this statement.
It's interesting you mention Mobile technology in this context; do you understand exactly how a phone's hardware and software works? I don't. But I have faith that when I press the buttons it'll respond in the way I want it to. I don't have to understand the science God uses to make things work to live within his laws and on the world he created, but if I do it's because I have an open mind and not a closed one.
The argument of adaptation versus evolution has been
made already in the previous thread which covered this debate. Do we have to go there again?
As regards the pictures of Adam and Eve, it's well known that these were not painted at the time they lived... obviously artistic licence was used. So what?
I see that you refute the Big Bang theory yet do not have a sound alternative. This shows that your 'beliefs' require faith to adhere to. Perhaps we're not so different?
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Posted: 2008-01-27 13:56:33
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On 2008-01-27 13:56:33, carkitter wrote:
@fatreg
So you have admiration for us but think we're blinkered? Why then do you admire us believers? It doesn't make sense.
I admire the fact that you can believe in book that was translated from Hebrew into English and live by the rules set out in said book, I think you are blinkered for believing in the book though, it's clearly faltered, was designed purely as a way of living, no more, no less.. a deity has been placed in it to give people something to answer to, but as said, I have admiration for those that can believe in a book and live their life by it.
but I think it boils down to the individual, I've been through many of personality tests and I am a perceiving person, I need facts and figures to be able to equate that into some sort or logical understanding, and a holy book doesn't give me the information I need, it raises too many questions for me to be able to take what it says seriously..
and mobile phones... no I don't know what the work fully... but it's all about evolution.... why would they have started with a VGA cam if they could have plonked a 15mp cam in it straight away? but the same can be said about PCs...
15 years ago you would have been lucky to have a 386Mhz PC, 15 years on and we now have 4.0GHz dual core PCs..... times change, things change, things evolve......
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Posted: 2008-01-27 17:34:24
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On 2008-01-25 10:34:00, whizkidd wrote:
Thats because some of them decided not to evolve.
How could you say such
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Posted: 2008-01-28 09:48:12
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