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On 2007-10-21 15:02:39, DragonEye wrote:
sorry max don't see how you can justify the p990 as a great phone... the p1i is better then the p990 by far and that is only a medicore phone as best and i loved it...
well either way let's hope SE has been able to put enough midrange phones in the stable this year and solidify the midrange and build on it with less resources and focus on giving it's users some highend super phones...
When did I define "great" as "the best"??? Never that's when. I've seen many people who have the P990 claim it's a great phone, AFTER the firmware hassles were sorted out. I never said it was always a great phone. I'm not saying it's the best in it's category, I'm just saying it's a nice phone.
I also agree the P1 is much better than the P990 and had far less firmware troubles. I don't agree however that P1 is mediocre. People get caught up on spec lists, and forget that a phone is about more than having the absolute latest of everything.
It has a 3.2MP AF camera. It has wifi - so what it's only b, real world it doesn't make a huge amount of difference. Internet browsing speeds aren't gonna be any better at 54Mbps than they are at 11Mbps unless you have a very fast internet connection. In many parts of the world, home broadband is still only maxed out at 10Mbps.
Copying data to the P1 would be faster on wifi g granted, but you can also use a memory card reader if you really don't want to wait. Wifi b is a hell of a lot faster than bluetooth.
It has all the things you could ask for, it's just that the N95 has the same things but better (5MP cam, wifi-b, hsdpa). And oh yeah, where is the touchscreen on the N95?? The fact that N95 is better (sans touchscreen), doesn't automatically mean the P1 is a mediocre phone.
The P1 is in my view a beautifully styled phone with a lot going for it. It's not a N95 beater, so what? Why does every phone have to be either as good as Nokia's best otherwise it's a pile of crap??
I'm getting sick of people beating down anyone who dares defend SE's high end. I've never argued that the P1 (or upcoming W960) have better tech than N95 or some of the great HTC's out there, but that doesn't mean I or anyone else aren't entitled to like the phones that SE produce. It doesn't make us fanboys, blind or any of that crap.
I like the P990, and while I'm glad I didn't have one early on, I'd happily buy one 2nd hand now if I had the opportunity. The P1 is an even better option and the W960 just blows my socks of with it's styling and even if it's features are a bit limited compared to Nokia finest, it's still a great phone in it's own right.
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Posted: 2007-10-22 01:19:24
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Honestly, the W960 looks like a regular early 2000's phone to me. Put it amongst today's other candy bar phones, the W960 doesn't stand out and gets lost in the crowd. It's not as flamboyant as a WALKMAN phone should be.
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Posted: 2007-10-22 01:45:16
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Wel that's a matter of personal opinion I guess. Only the market will tell if you are right or wrong.
Personally I think it's a hot looking phone.
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Posted: 2007-10-22 01:47:06
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@MAX WEDGE Huh buddy. Don't you ever get tired of tipping so much (c r a p). With so many people on this forum not agreeing with you I think I am entitled to ask this 'trivial' question.And to all the Nokia fan-boys: PLEASE STOP arguing with Max - he needs a rest ;).
This message was posted from a N70-1
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Posted: 2007-10-22 05:24:41
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Oh I've got a lot more fight in me yet mario
Don't you ever get tired of being a pompous know it all? (I know that's childish but no more so than the dribble you just posted). Whether other people agree or not, if I like the P1 and W960 and that's my perogative.
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Posted: 2007-10-22 13:20:57
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On 2007-10-22 01:47:06, max_wedge wrote:
Wel that's a matter of personal opinion I guess. Only the market will tell if you are right or wrong.
Personally I think it's a hot looking phone.
But with W960 selling at around the same price as the N95 8Gb would certainly dealt a death blow to W960.
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Posted: 2007-10-22 13:30:16
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@Max
It's not the fact that the P1 or W960 as you put
"even if it's features are a bit limited compared to Nokia finest"
It's the fact it's features are limited for a device launching in the late part of 2007 compared to all other manufacturers devices, even Motorola with their first UIQ3 device has much better spec's, OMAP2420 330mhz chip, 16m colour screen, VGA video recording @30fps, HSDPA to name just a few.
Yet here we are nearly in 2008 and SE are still using the same hardware as they announced for the P990 and other UIQ3 devices in 2005. No update to the hardware has occurred and this is what makes them mediocre however great the designs are.
If you look around the Forum it is not just Nokia fans that are now complaining about the lack of upgraded hardware but SE fans that are now expressing their disappointment.
Even the K850 has come under fire not just for the amount of bugs it has been released with but the fact that although the device has a new platform it is now slower than previous models as still has the same processor yet is far more processor intensive which results in a slower reacting device which is not good for a flagship product that is not a smart phone and should be fast.
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Posted: 2007-10-22 14:24:09
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I am aware of the advanced features of the N95, but I have a K800 and I'm perfectly happy with my phone, so I can't see why I would necessarily be any less happy with the W960 which has more features I like such as a touchscreen (which N95 can't help me with so it's all for nought)
Because of my preferences for usability, the W960 appeals to me more than N95. Most of this comes down to the touchscreen factor, if I'm gonna spend more than twice what I spent on my K800, (N95 cheapest I've seen 1200AUD, K800 450AUD) then it has to have a touchscreen plain and simple. And PLEASE guys I am not saying every phone has to have a touchscreen, I'm only speaking of my own preferences here (and anyone else for whom touchscreen is important).
Yes you are right and I agree, I wish SE was more up to date in many areas. But also, in many of those instances for my needs N95 is way over kill, way to expensive, and STILL doesn't have a touchscreen.
I accept SE's faults, but I'm also a realist and I don't see it as such a crime to think that the W960 is a better choice (for me and those with similiar tates) than the N95. I'm not trying to make an absolute statement that SE UIQ's are better than Nokia or anyothing else. I'm only speaking on my own behalf.
Neither do I see it as a crime to continue to patronise SE when they have the gear I like. Maybe you would like everyone to boycott SE, but I don't get that emotional about phone companies. I'll keep buying SE until they no longer satisfy me. If I end up buying the W960 or K850 and get a bug ridden handset I will take it back and demand a replacement until I get one that works. I'll also wait while all those with more money than I rush out and buy the newest phone available, and I'll watch the firmware threads and wait until the handset is stable enough for my liking. I did the same with K700, K750 and K800 and was never disappointed by either of those phones.
This doesn't make it right on SE's behalf, but as I see it the same is true of any OEM. I would never buy a phone that was just released. I would never buy windows in the first 6 months of a new version (I like vista, but am I running it? No). I would never buy the first make of car off the production line. Selfish? Maybe, but as I said I'm a realist. I don't care if manufacturers bring out dodgy shit, I'll make sure that when I buy I buy something that has been tested to the hilt, by the market if necessary, and I'll always be happy with my tech.
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Posted: 2007-10-22 15:00:39
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Max it's really not about the hardware... i like UIQ3... i got it to work really well .. i've always argued that processors speeds aren't that big of a deal... optimized and well designed software is the main driving force IMO.
i never cared that my p1i never had a 5.0 cam... i didn't need built in gps...
even with the ram on the new n95 i think the Uiq3 touchscreen/key setup is a better mix if you were to compare them..
the problem with UIQ3 though is that the software even though it's stable now isn't really that good.. it's quite horrible in some places... the mailbox for example is terrible, lagging slow, and not user friendly at all..virtually unusable IMO.. for a person like me that sends about 2500 sms a month... it was a deal breaker...... i've had just about every phone dumb or smart SE/nokia/moto etc... and the UIQ mailbox is the worst i've ever used in terms of performance which is sad.. my k790 mailbox is fine.. even my iphone is good...
sure the w960 looks pretty but it'll suffer from the same issues that the p1i has today.... i can't support any half-assed products being released anymore... same reason why i blasted the n95
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Posted: 2007-10-22 16:07:21
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max_wedge
Neither do I see it as a crime to continue to patronise SE when they have the gear I like.
You may also like to do or wear kinky stuff
but then that is none of our business. What's the point of you writing long essays on how good K850/W960 over N95 based on your own preferences? I think people are more interested in phone comparison based on common acceptable merits.
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Posted: 2007-10-22 17:01:08
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