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You mean like they did in the early days with the T68/T68i, the P800 and the T610? All models offering features that had Nokia looking on in awe? At the time Nokia had tiny square screens, Bluetooth was reserved for high end devices and their first S60 phone didn't even have memory expansion. The user interface Nokia was using also looked horribly dated as a simple system was completely incapable of managing loads of new features. Now, let's not pretend that Nokia couldn't do all of the things SE were doing (and look how they took S60 to where it is today), but they chose not to at the time and that gave SE the foot in the door they needed.
Now, five years on, SE is starting to try and be clever and restrict features to create different market segments. All the time they do this, they forget the type of user that wants it all.
I've said to SE that it's fine to brand a handset Cyber-shot, or Walkman but give them both the same features (like the K750 and W800). Have one to look more like a camera, with themes to match, and another to look like a Walkman - just as they make one Bluetooth watch in three different versions to suit varying tastes. Who will complain if they have a SE branded phone that has Cyber-shot and Walkman in the menu when selecting the camera and media player respectively?
Doesn't SE appreciate that their user base has been made up of people wanting mid to high end models purely because that's what they were given for the last five years? Nokia would kill to get these people (and handsets like the N95 did pretty well). Sure, SE want to get more low end users and cash in on emerging markets, but how could they forget the people that got them where they are today?
SE has always attracted the people that felt let down by Nokia and the others, but now Nokia has done an excellent job with the Nseries range. Apple tried to come in with its own limited offering and the near failure in Europe (admittedly partly down to cost too) suggests we want more from our handsets. Apple will learn from this and the next iPhone is bound to be fantastic. Will SE be learning from the last 18 months?
(And, the P990 was never going to become perfect - the lack of memory saw to that - but firmware updates did at least make it usable. Now we're hoping to see the same happen to the K850i... shocking to see history repeat itself!)
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www.whatmobile.net[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2007-12-26 18:50 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-26 19:45:37
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I never thought that I would be ever writing in this Topic and agreeing with people.
I have been a SE loyal fan since the T68i and always were impressed with SE offerings. I like there designs, featues and ideas (Always Fresh) SE always offered me what Nokia or any other manufacture couldnt.
However when they released the K850 I had high hopes for it. High hopes indeed.
Im now on my 5th K850i and although this one is much better than the other 4. Now its just a phone (I thought i would never say that)
The K850i is yes slightly better that the K800 but there is nothing new or exciting about the phone any more. The excitement has gone due to all the problems with it.
Screen problems, Keyboard problems, Dust problems, Software is shocking to say the least and more problems.
Camera is good, but thats only when it works. Video recording is below par for a flagship model and video playback is below par for playback (Its out of Sync) even with new firmware
What has gone wrong at SE. A company that used to inspire Technology is now no different or slightly worse to the rest.
Im sorry to say, that people in SE now need a reshuffle big time. Its time to see some new faces in the company.
Software on the phone is also a big big problem. However only now there is starts of software updates. Why not before. This is a flagship phone that is shockingly poor. It just doesnt work.
The build quality on the phone is crap. Im sorry to say but my old phones have lived to tell another day, this phone i give a year at max.
I am a loyal SE person, but i am considering selling it to get a Nokia N82. The phone offers alot more for the money, Nokia seems to be doing things right and ok the battery life may not be as good. But at present thats the only thing that is good with the K850i.
Never thought i would say this but it may be time to jump ship and show SE.
Alhough i think they may know that. If you go on the internet there really isnt much praise for the phone at all.
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Posted: 2007-12-26 20:37:41
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Well yeah, i had a K850i for about 10 days and hated every minute with it, on the other hand i also have a W580i/W880i/W950i that i am quite content with, and i look forward to owning a W960i ASAP.
I never jumped ship to the N95 mainly because i was aware of the huge price differentials that exist between Nokia products in the UK and in the US/middle east and Asia.
We in the UK pay on average 40% more for Nokia devices than our friends those regions, i have an accute aversion to being suckered in to paying over the odds, no matter HOW good a phone is.
Strangely enough, SE products tend to be cheaper and more popular in the UK and Northern Europe than anywhere else, thus still making them an attractive buy.
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Posted: 2007-12-26 20:55:22
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I've got a T68 (gold), T610 and a K700 lying around at work and they still work (even the T68 that hadn't been charged for about two years). They feel a damn sight more solid than the modern stuff.
In fact, I forget how cool the T68 was. It's still quite small, has the rubberised back that all of a sudden seems to be seen as special (since Motorola put it on the PEBL and then SE reintroduced it on the W880) and had all of the features offered at the time, except polyphonic ringtones.
Okay, so modern handsets won't necessarily have the same 'wow' factor because we've now got music, video, pictures, games etc etc.. and while they can all get better, it's hard to invent something completely brand new. Data gets faster, but that will never be quite as amazing as when we got Bluetooth, or GPRS with 'always on' connectivity. Now it's about improving the experience, and SE needs to work hard on this.
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www.whatmobile.net[ This Message was edited by: jmcomms on 2007-12-26 20:30 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-26 21:29:33
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I luv my T68i. Its solid, it doesnt creak and feels like a phone should be and it still looks like new.
I even luv the 256 colour screen. Technology
Oh and the photo was taken with the K850i on Auto.
See the phone can take good pics some times
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Posted: 2007-12-26 21:38:01
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Although I seem to belong to minority which was using SONY phones before SE, I tend to agree that SE behaviour is very similar to that big-coporate-autistic behaviour that SONY is demostrating in the last few years.
On the other hand,as a user of Sony Z1, Z5 and Z7 before moving on to the P series, I can not agree that they vere bad at all, they were more fun,easier to use and MUCH better looking than any ERICSSON device at that time ( I had ERI. too )....not trying to start a flame war here,as i know that many of our personal prefernces to certain brands are due to the first device we used (Z1 here) and were satisfied with ... I just think that things like "Sony phones were crap...." are far away from thruth !
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Posted: 2007-12-31 01:27:53
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Must admit I'm surprised at the statement of the Ericsson/Sony Ericsson T68/68i not creaking I can never remember having one that didn't creak. I know at the time there was not another phone to touch it and it is truly a classic handset (especially the rubber backedT68) still got mine in a draw somewhere. But there was constant movement between battery and phone body which I always felt let the quality of the phone down, I used to have to pack it stop the movement.
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Well this is my 2nd week of using the much talked about n95-2 8gb and i have to say its doing very good. Sure i have to charge it every other night with heavy usage but its just a nice shone with a huge screen.
I can only wonder what SE will release next year.
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Posted: 2008-01-01 08:15:18
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Me too developed the feeling of Dumping SE
.I would still buy K850 if they fix all the bugs.
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Posted: 2008-01-01 08:43:18
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After getting my N81 i doubt il be moving back to SE, this is my 2nd Nseries phone and it just keeps getting better.
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Posted: 2008-01-01 10:16:18
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