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Just had some fun re-reading this thread...

Well for me personally the iPhone certainly swayed me, not that I had any I interest in the X1 or potential future P series anyway, coming from a Tytn II also.

It's a fantastic device as anyone who's use one knows, and yes it suits my business needs just fine with great email support and an increasing number of useful apps. No Quickoffice yet (they're releasing a full office suite in the new year) but I had a great Spreadsheet app already that does everything I need, and cost me just pence in the App store. There are more than 10,000 apps in that store now, and I've got some brilliant stuff on my phone, both in terms of productivity, utilities, and games - there's no doubt it's the "funnest" phone out there, bar none.

Yes there are missing features still, but taking the experience as a whole, I miss nothing from my UIQ or WM phones of the past. I know I would miss the hell out of the iPhone if I had to go back.

P series? It is of course dead, at least as we remember it, since the death of UIQ - and indeed the last example, the P5, was cancelled in the iPhone's wake. As for the X1, after all the delays, it's hardly the bright new start that anyone hoped for - and the iPhone is now officially outselling the whole Windows Mobile lineup. So this thread kind of had a point after all, eh?
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Posted: 2008-12-07 12:22:33
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Not really, I disagree. The quantity is NOT all (it would be problem of course if they'd sell too little of it....) and is not decisive.
This rule simply does not apply and the best example is given in the computer world where the situation is absolutely opposite - WM outsells Mac computers big time, but does that mean Apple comes to an eclipse?? No!
And bear in mind that there's simply no market which would adopt too many "revolutions". As Communicator did, as P800 maybe and now iPhone.
But it doesn't make other soulutions "bad" or even worse. Marketing does not mean quality.... Look, Android won't be such an revolution even if it's better in some cases.
X1 cannot be such an superselling hit just because it's too complicated, too "profi". Really, iPhone is made for "idiots", I mean people who never ever used touchscreen.
And believe me, if Apple did iPhone with qwerty it would kill sales. Too much complicated!
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Posted: 2008-12-07 15:07:27
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And believe me, if Apple did iPhone with qwerty it would kill sales. Too much complicated!

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Exactly ! that is the beauty of the iphone..its simple not complicated like the windows mobile phone...I started with Ipaq PDA (with a $500.00 microdrive for 1G .lol) , SE p800 still working..then p900, p910..
went back to Pocket pc with tytn 2. Honestly I liked symbian better but SE teases me with phones than never come when they promise..and then is too late. I want simple, clean uncomplicated and that does not mean I am and Idiot....Right?

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Posted: 2008-12-08 00:33:42
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No, you're not idiot.
I was just showing a little difference between powerusers and others.
Me for instance, I can stand more complication but give me maximum features.

[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2008-12-08 09:14 ]
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Posted: 2008-12-08 10:13:24
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Yeah,it's such a dream, that a friend of mine wants to sell it after just 2 months-he's a WM user for years now and has been also Symbian user for years. I will do a Omnia review-it's almost done.
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Posted: 2008-12-08 10:59:37
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Quantity isn't everything, but the numbers really help. For instance with developer support - from a standing start in June, there are now 10,000 apps in the Appstore, with something like 300 million downloads - it's fair to say more software support than UIQ ever inspired in the six years it was a going concern. Those aren't all freebies or dross either - there are plenty of worthwhile producitivity and business-minded apps in there, with a full office suite on the way.

How many developers have SE attracted to the X1's Panel downloads? How many thousand panels are there now? The X1 may benefit from a lot of older WM software, but it's a fact that WM development has slowed to a crawl since the Appstore first showed up on the horizon - more of those developers are making more money with iPhone development now, simply because the market is so much bigger and better organised.



The economics are being reversed in the phone market though. PCs and Macs have co-existed for decades, and while Apple gets the whole value of each individual Mac made and nobody else can make them, literally anyone can put together a PC, load a copy of Windows on, and sell it. Look at the phones and despite the fact that any company can make a phone and put a copy of WM on it, it's the "Mac" - a phone made only by Apple - that's outselling all the rest. Why? Because as open and widespread as WM may be, it's simply not as good.



Do yourself a favour and don't dwell on the marketing, because it's really not the issue here. The issue is the quality of the device, what it does and how it does it. If you're unclear on that, if you've any doubt over whether the iphone actually lives up to all the hype, then I really suggest you try one.



And that's where you lose any pretence of an argument, and show yourself up to be an idiot yourself. I've been using touchscreen phones since 2002, four of them before the iPhone, and yet when I picked the iPhone up I understood it was different - it's a new kind of touchscreen used in a wholly better way. Yes it simplifies everything, and no, that's no bad thing!

Of course it's still missing some features from WM, but Apple can add those next week if they want to, without complicating that interface at all. WM, on the other hand, can never compete without a complete re-write from scratch.



I believe Apple will do an Iphone with a qwerty in the near future (not that it particularly needs one), call it the Iphone Pro and probably bundle an Office suite. It'll sell by the bucketload to people exactly like you.
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Posted: 2008-12-08 12:45:44
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@Boinng Just out of curiosity, are you ever going to head back to WM? I know you were using a TyTnII all this while and you seem to love touchscreen phones with great productivity and all of that but doesn't the Touch HD provide all that as well?
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Posted: 2008-12-08 12:53:51
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Boinng

And you fail exactly at my point - no, iPhone does not live to it's hype.
It's just a great marketing!
It's just a trend!
Wake up. Most of users do 10% of things UIQ or WM users do with their devices!
ALL of the people having iPhone I know, I repeat: ALL OF THEM,
say: "well, I don't do much with it, just call and listen to the music, it's just a nice gadget.... AND THEY GAVE me it for free, so I took it..."
Half of them admit it's a crap.
That's it.
P.S. It takes ages to implement some BASIC features to this "smartphone" so please don't be funny and tell me that they can do it tomorrow... You like it - it's great! Just remember, following your arguments - the ultimate mobile phone is Nokia 11xx/12xx series, they sold like 250 milions of it.
And sure, the good and functional touchscreen is a faboulous feature and in this field iPhone leads.
As for support - yes, appstore is great. I can bet with you - 99% of rush there is just for fun, not for any particular smartphone use.
If you say marketing is not the case here - you're blind.
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Posted: 2008-12-08 13:37:16
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I think a touchscreen is something that, once you're used to it, you can't really give up - from the P800 onwards I've struggled with phones that I can't just prod at and scribble on.

Once I'd been dissapointed by UIQ (never really gelling with the M600, nothing really new coming in the form of the P1), WM was a good alternative last year, and the Tytn II was a supremely capable phone at the time - I still use it now as a TomTom for the car since the iPhone doesn't do turn-by-turn navigation yet. But at the moment there are too many downsides with WM in my opinion. The Tytn II had many compromises - for all its power on paper, it suffered from poor video support, laggy graphics, sluggishness, and an interface that just got in the way far too much. Some of that was down to poor hardware, a lot of it down to poor software, and although things have undoubtedly improved some with the Touch HD, there are still echoes of many of the same issues.

With the Tytn II I constantly got the sense that the OS was cobbled together without any consistent idea of what device it was made for and how it might be used, and then quite poorly implemented on the phone by somebody else entirely - and in my experience that's quite true of most WM phones. They tick all the boxes, have that long list of features, but do none of them particularly well or even reliably - and no single designer or even team of designers or programmers really takes responsibility for any of it. The OEM points at MS, MS point at ten other OEMs who are all doing something different, and the end user just gets the work in progress.

I wasn't interested in the iPhone until it got Exchange support and the Appstore opened - before third party apps were available, I didn't consider it a smartphone at all - but I fell for it pretty soon after playing with the 3G and seeing the possibilities. The hardware is excellent, the screen and UI together are simply the best, and the whole thing works because Apple have actually thought about the best ways to do certain things, and created the whole thing from the ground up. It doesn't do everything the hardened WM user might want yet, but now it's open to third party development and with a user base that's growing exponentially, that's only a matter of time.

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Posted: 2008-12-08 13:38:05
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Yeah, the iphone is so bloody brilliant it doesn't even have manual EQ presets.

My P990i (after the sound mod lite) has sound quality that simply blows away the ipod touch or iphone. With the "rock" setting in the background and a few tweaks in either coreplayer or LCG the sound from the P990i is simply amazing.

I know the iphone has many other features but the music player part of it is very poor IMO.
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Posted: 2008-12-08 14:06:32
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