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A surprising feature about the X1 is when the box is opened, a light beam will split the heavens and shine through your window. Angels will begin to sing then finally doves will flutter across the sky.

Why so concerned about how much I like the X1? Would you prefer I like it less? Perhaps will start building phones for all of those companies that can't get their WM devices quite like Xperia X1 Perhaps will offer training classes--WM Phone Design 101.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-15 15:43 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-15 16:30:47
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@aksd:

Anyways, there is no need for a rewrite of the WM SDK (to add touch??????). I was saying, that Xperia software will be like a shell to WM. As long as covers all the bases (functions of the phone: camera, radio, phone dialer, etc.) there will be no need for the average user to even see the WM interface unless they choose to. Every function of the phone would be accessed through the apps. Of course, third party software would be something different. Even the SE rep in the video said they are giving developers time to develop apps for the X1 in time for it's release. Makes me believe these apps would follow the same Xperia GUI concept or else why would they wait for just some more standard WM apps? Ther's tons of those already.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-15 15:55 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-15 16:41:52
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No you can like the X1 all you want, but know where it stands rather than glorify it, which gets peoples expectations up reading stories of how great the X1 is, when in reality it is'nt as great as projected, and when its released you have disappointed customers. Be realistic, have realistic expectations and you're sure to enjoy the X1.

If you want the basic functions as you mentioned, buy a K850 or something, a "typical" WM user does'nt "just" use basic functions.

There are two possible paths:
1. Have a finger friendly launcher with a ton of app friendly apps(but this is quite pointless imo but is helpful to an extent, I personally use both PointUI as well as SPB mobile shell, pointUI is something like what you're suggesting but as soon as you open say the messaging you're back to tiny buttons)
2. CHange WM completely and that is happening, WM7 first devices expected end of 2008 from MwG, I'm sure the current gen phones such as the X1 and diamond will get Wm7 upgrades(recent video was shown with the TOuch Cruise running WM7)

What they meant is to get apps in the WVGA resolution, not using some new fangled SDK. Many of those "tons" of apps wont work on the X1 due to the screen resolution. THe .NET based apps should work wihtout any problem(maybe slight modification of code if required) but the native apps most definately wont work without editing the source code. So this is what the developers need to do.

Regards,

Akshay

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-15 16:29 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-15 17:29:05
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I have not said anything untrue about the X1 (OK, maybe the angels singing ). Any speculation I have made is based on real and verifiable information--especially this last subject of X1 GUI laying on-top-of WM. Apple has sent all of the smartphone manufacturers back to the drawing board to get their GUIs improved. It would be stupid for any manufacturer to release a phone with just plain old WM with no GUI enhancements. I believe, based on what I have seen, that has recognized and is acting on this in a major way.

aksd, If people want to get excited over the X1, THIS thread is the place to do it. I don't understand why you have appointed yourself as the emotions police. You sound like the guy at Wal*Mart trying to control a crowd of people that have camped out all night for a Nintendo Wii Or, It's like when a beautiful woman (X1) walks into the room, alot of the other women get angry and start trying to point out her flaws

I'm not going to get into a "I'm-more-of-a-phone-pro-than-you" battle. This is all just friendly discussion to me. Also, if anyone thinks this thread is a one-stop-shop on everything about the X1, then shame on them. Thanks for the info on the TV out, I will look into it.
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Posted: 2008-05-15 20:23:45
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Here is some (paraphrased?) info from HTC (concerning complaints about the TyTnII video driver issue):



This could give insight as to why the X1 doesn't have TV out and also, what's taking so long.

Please don't confuse this as a statement of HTC "really" making the X1.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-15 20:01 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-15 20:54:47
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@WhyBe

We'll you have mentioned that the specs are like nothing seen before, and thats what got all the hackles up . Just like the iPhone having specs never seen before, the UI is great it caused a UI revolution in the touchscreen world etc.. but windows answer to that is WM7. You can hope and pray all you want that you'd never see the underlying WM shell, but its just not possible, any WM user can tell you that, and from your posts I gather you do not program which isnt really an issue, but thats why you dont understand that the WM interface cannot be altered in anyway at the core level, and nor can there be a hybrid SDK for SE phones unless SE has a framework where apps can install on that, but this might not be the case looking at the videos, similar type apps have been present(not identical but along the same line with less eyecandy though) task managers that show screenshots of all open programs on the home screen, its called Dynamo 2. And what I've been trying to tell you is if you expect something iPhonish prepare to be disappointed, even the Diamonds thing is a today screen plugin only, some people got an early release of it running on their TyTnII. And I said it once I'll say it again, the iPhone type UI you are searching for will not be present in the X1 at release it will be present however in WM7 whcih will be available for the X1 either through offical or un-offical means (hopefully at least)

I dont suppose you've read my earlier posts on this thread have you? Look past pg 77 or something, lots of good debates from my end pro X1 and a few white papers you can read up on before debating . Basically did you see what happened regarding the SE paris, people are at a point that they;d practically hang the phone if it could be hung because of all the hype. And some people take what they read on these forums as the gospel truth so..........

I'd like to think I'm more of a phone pro as its been part of my education as well as hobby and future career, so I like to think that I know my stuff, I apologise if I come off to aggressive but I'm a wee bit too passionate about cellphone tech in general(no theres nothing mentally wrong with me , been checked by several docs ). I



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Posted: 2008-05-15 21:14:51
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You actually believe that drivel ? Thats HTC speak, btw that was concerning the Drivers, which is a bit difficult to implement once the final product is ready, for an induvidual that is, but for a corporation, no way, and TV_out implementation is'nt as difficult as that either , also ususally lead time(dev time) on a phone is usually 1.5yrs, dont tell me they need more than that to imlement 2 tiny features after putting together the X1. You can make all the excuses you want for the company . Its like, when you buy a car and the head lights dont work, and you're like why? They're like we never mentioned that the head lights work and it would take us too long to make the necessary connections.

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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-15 20:21 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-15 21:18:50
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@aksd,

Do you have a link to the video of WM7 running on a Touch cruise, I would really like to see it.

@WhyBe,

I’m afraid that you lack of experience with WM devices is obvious. I agree with aksd that you will only have a panels interface, a camera interface, and that’s about it on the X1. It’s not I don’t want more, if they could improve it then great. But I highly doubt it.

I know I have been refereeing to HTC a lot, but hear me out, the original HTC Touch was HTC’s first attempt to hide the WM interface, and it was way too shallow, you managed to get to the windows interface far too quickly. TouchFLO 3D is much better at covering up the interface, but to get this far HTC has had three attempts.

I don’t see how you can expect SE, with no experience of WM to do the same on their first attempt. Don’t get me wrong, if they do it then kudos, but I’ll be pessimistic, where as your very optimistic, I do hope the X1 lives up to your expectations. Your right about something at least, this is the place to get excited about the X1!
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Posted: 2008-05-15 21:34:40
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Did I say Cruise, sorry my mistake , its the Touch Dual, my mistake, its just for a few seconds in the new Windows Live Mesh video, it at least looks like WM7 colour scheme and all .

http://www.engadgetmobile.com[....]-in-microsoft-live-mesh-video/
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Posted: 2008-05-15 21:40:34
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Your not wrong when you said a few seconds! I do hope wm7 lives up to the hype...
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Posted: 2008-05-15 21:45:44
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