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Well I guess we all have to wait until the release of the X1 to see what's really going to be there, huh?

My feeling is if a lot of the WM flaws can be tweaked and enhanced by third party apps, there is no reason couldn't implement the same strategy in designing their X1 software. I don't buy the argument that doesn't have WM experience. is a company, not a person. It's as simple as hiring programmers with the skills required for the job. There is a very real reason the X1 is not released yet, even though the hardware is complete, software! If they were just going to give us the X1 hardware with the panels plopped on top of WM6.1, then it would be released already.

What I am talking about does not require the remaking and restructuring of WM (even though many would welcome that). It's about X1 having it's own suite of well made, intuitive applications with a generous helping of eye candy thrown in. If this can be done with a picture browser, it can be done with a phone dialer. It can be done with a contacts manager. It can be done with.......and so on. This only takes DEVELOPMENT TIME on 's part, not a new version of WM. As I've stated before, if one chooses to run third party apps (I'm assuming most will), then it's back to WM world, of course.
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Posted: 2008-05-16 00:52:08
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Hi WhyBe

You really think it's that simple are you totally oblivious to what has happened with UIQ since the UIQ3 launch and the P990 a platform SE has worked on for a long time and is now even a 50% owner of?

If your view of how easy it is to optimize a device is on any platform was we would all be walking around with perfect devices right now. Which in case you hadn't noticed none of us our.

Please explain how or why you think that SE with HTC and Microsoft on their first collaboration are going to be able to deliver what you think, on a brand new OS as well just to complicate things further. As hopefully it will be good but perfect i seriously doubt.

But as already pointed out as far as being a Multimedia Monster it is missing out full 30fps VGA H.264 and mainly supports 3gp.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-16 00:52 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-16 01:46:40
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@Dogmann
I have said nothing that is impossible or out of reach from any company willing to devote the resources.

Is releasing a product with a well made suite of custom applications unattainable? Give me a break.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 01:16 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-16 02:13:59
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Let's face it. No matter what HTC/SE do to hide WM, it would not give the same total touch screen experience that Iphone or the future S60 Touch/WM7 can provide.

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Posted: 2008-05-16 03:38:51
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Hmm i just read some articles HERE
People at akihabaranews says their test unit is faster than proto @3GSM
And they put some UI pictures too
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Posted: 2008-05-16 04:02:00
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The pics of the dialer on the test unit was similar to the HTC dialer . And it will be done with all those apps you have mentioned, if not there are 3rd party apps to do the same. BUT every time you need to close a program, or a dialog box pops up its the same old WM OS. No matter what SE does, other than rewrite the WM OS its still going to be a pain to use single handedly, maybe a bit less of a pain but still a pain. A manufactueres only aim is to make the product market ready tothe least extent and then release, they're not going to spend months perfecting it, especially SE. I'm sure you'll realise that once it is actually out.

But the software shortcomings are not really shortcomings, like I said when you buy WM, you get updates, apps etc. And assuming from the hardware I think it should be ready for WM7 as well. So it should abe a good enjoyable buy(due to the WM modders).



Have you seen a company working from the inside? I'm sure you have'nt, many of us have worked closely or in a cellphone company and thats what we base our views on. They do the basic minimum and not more than what its required. Really not their fault as they're in it for the profit. Thats where the devs come in. And if they made the phone perfect then devs dont get work. Its not as simple as you think.


[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-16 04:10 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-16 05:07:12
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This principal applies to ALL industries, not just cellphone companies.


Why don't you guys go to S60 or UIQ or iPhone since WM has you so jaded?
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Posted: 2008-05-16 05:23:28
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@WhyBe

I love WM. But its not what you're making it out to be. All I'm doing is pointing that out to you. I've never once mentioned that WM is a bad OS, if you read my previous posts on this thread I've had several arguments with Dogmann and mib regarding that WM is a more "powerful" OS and more dev friendly OS than Symbian.

You misunderstand the point I am trying to make. Bascially all i want to do is clear the misconception that SE are going to release a ground breaking product, with a UI that blows everything else away, that is not the case.
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Posted: 2008-05-16 05:36:31
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OK, maybe not blow everything else away on the scale of iPhone, but I have the feeling that is making a worthy attempt to blow away every other WM phone by taking a few UI cues from Apple. From the available info and press releases, it seems as if , at least, understands that USER EXPERIENCE (thus the name 'XPERIA') is key to making a great mobile. Most of the user experience is brought about by software...no? Great hardware alone is not sufficient. So it is also a bonus that X1 is also a well thought out, powerful piece of hardware too. So this great experience brought about by software isn't WM6.1, we all know. It must be 's own included applications.

[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 05:25 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-16 06:17:27
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We'll similar programs to make things finger friendly already exist, although not as flashy as SE's panels. You can check http://www.pointui.com or SPB Mobile SHell at http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com and of course imo the Diamond plugin is far nicer than SE's implementation but thats just my opinion(and its possible it might be able to port it to the X1, but it take a horrendous amount of RAM 40MB I heard). SE are not the first ones with this idea, first was HTC( a year ago), then came Asus/Gigabyte theres not much publicity for those companies as they're not as big as SE, and their products might or might not be better than SEs, that we can say only after launch. The Asus one seems quite nice, a 3D cube that rotates and some other stuff.

In WM great hardware is sufficent as generally many WM users strip off what the OEM gives us and put our own personalized stuff in. I rememeber a few memebrs posting that they;re first going to disable the panels , but thats just down to personal preference.

The hardware is good, its not amazing, I expcted the next gen Qualcomm processors this year as HTC claimed that they;re going to release the QUalcomm Snapdragon, a 1Ghz processor based phone. The processor tech is quite last year with a change in die size so that it could get clocked a little faster. Evedently the qualcomm processor has'nt really proved it self yet.

Just because SE claim its targeted at overall experiene does'nt mean it will actually be that amazing an experience. I think thats whats called Marketing hype, and SE are famous for not delivering on their promises


[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-16 05:35 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-16 06:32:15
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