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I think all smartphone companies would like to have a much larger base for their products than just techie crowd who tweak and update their phones with add-ons. The average consumer is where the money is at (again, refer to iPhone). Inevitably, smartphone manufacturers are going to cater less and less to the geek crowd and more toward the mainstream that want a great working product right out of the box...not a fix'er up'er. This doesn't mean that phones won't be tweakable, but, the supplied software will be much more appealing than what has been available. Having appealing software right out of the box will also spur sales of the phones because prospective customers will immediately see what the phone can do instead of going on the promise that you can download enhancements after purchasing the phone.
The mainstream wants powerful phones that babysit them, not phones they have to babysit. The geek crowd will fend for itself as always.
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Posted: 2008-05-16 07:49:18
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If you read my post I mentioned a few people, you can expect a buisness man to keep modding his phone. But those few people are quite a large percent of WM users. And thats who the X1 is targeted at, not some teeny bopper who listens to music and uses just a cam.
You mentioned the mainstream want "powerful" phones that babysit them, then tell those people to buy an S60 N95 or E90 as they are powerful and complete. WM is more rough around the edges. And where the "powerful" is concrened, the S60 phones still are more poewrful from a multimedia perspective, the UI is less intimidating and more complete. SO if thats what you want WM is not yet your cup of tea, with WM 7 it should be. WM has been designed for users who are more hands on, they constitute the bulk of the sales of WM phones, there are however the few non technical buyers of WM which is good if this % increases, but that increase will be noticeable only after WM7 releases imo and the X1 is not going to do much to change that. Anybody can see that whos beein folowing cellphone tech for a while. If theres a phone to make WM more mainstream it'll be the diamond.
Having appealing software at a price greater than that of another phone with similar specs is'nt intelligent imo, a run of the mill WM buyer knows that anyway theres similar software out there where he/she does'nt need to spend the extra money for.
Cater less and less to the geek crowd? Dont make me laugh, when I was doing a project for motorola the fact that P2K phones were moddable was a un spoken USP inside the Motorola R&D center. The "geek" crowd want smartphones, that who its targeted at. Your statements are most uniformed. Look at how hacking Symbian OS has hit off, people love it. At the MotoDEV summit yesterday the speakers were actually requested to keep the LJ platform open as it helps in sales. And I'm sure you know that the iPhone modding community is one of the largest online, and if it was'nt for the modding commmunity Apple would have had far fewer sales.
This discussion is getting a little boring for me, I think this would be my last post regarding this subject, you seem to have very limited knowledge regarding WM. This debate is going no where imo.Your statements are ill informed and all I'm doing is wasting my time with exhaustive replies.
[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-16 07:26 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-16 08:17:52
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OK, have a nice day
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Posted: 2008-05-16 08:35:08
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Here is an interesting Microsoft interview with some discussion of the X1 and the catering more toward mainstream consumers, as I mentioned a few posts earlier.
[ This Message was edited by: WhyBe on 2008-05-16 10:36 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-16 10:28:04
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Honestly guys, I dont trust SE anymore and I dont think that they'll get done something special and groundbreaking. The panels are nice but I think that if I#ll get SEX1 I might just rip them out...
You have to look at this realistic and SEs history proves that not everything they say will also be inculded in the retail device. Heck! They would even edit the whitepaper afterwards (p990 anyone and the nice animated wallpapers and the other stuff?
One thing that I really hope X1 to have are the drivers for the graphic chip. Thats all! If it wont be present in the phone then I'll look over to the diamond pro...
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Posted: 2008-05-16 11:59:14
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Are you so gullible that you believe evertyhing you read rather than base your understanding of a situation from hard facts? It seems like facts hardly matter to you, its just he said that and they said that, excellent I'm sure you believe the speeches given by politicans and eagrly wait for their promises to be full filled
. We'll I'm too OT right now, but at least the majority of the members have their heads firmly fixed onto their shoulders rahter than floating high up in space.
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Posted: 2008-05-16 12:25:52
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@aksd:
I thought you were bored
. That post was not addressed directly to you.
Actually that post was a video interview. Am I not supposed to believe words directly from someone's mouth? It seems as if M$'s, or
's or my own judgement tells me something, I should not believe it over what you tell me. Everyone's a liar except you???
I guess we'll have to wait and see how this X1 thing plays out to see who knew what they were talking about...huh???
@BigStan: check out Keiki's post on p128. It may be of interest to you.
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Posted: 2008-05-16 13:12:02
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Cant help counter acting your illogical conclusions
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Nothing of that sort, what I've put down are neutral facts, I have'nt made assumptions, whatever I've posted is based upon resoning me being a programmer as well as an understanding of the platform and the manufacturer, when a company speaks its for its own benefit, they have to say it to bring up their image. yes Microsoft want to target mass market and its slowly happening but until WM7 its not a possibility due to the UI. They need to lay the ground work for that.
ANother thing, for a manufacturer to use hardware they need to sign an agreement with the hardware manufactuerer, nowhere have I found any agreement with Qualcomm for their processors. AMong the top manufactueres as of now all I'm aware of is Moto and HTC implementing the Qualcomm processors. Now this means that the X1 is more HTC than SE where hardware is concerened, most probably SE dont even have licensce for WM(I maybe wrong here, no factual evidence for this and I'm not too well informed on the buisness side of things)
After the X1 is released, dont worry I wont say "I told you so!" that would be too immature on my part
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Posted: 2008-05-16 13:25:03
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@aksd--Programmer's question: Wouldn't radically changing the WM interface (such as WM6.1 to WM7) break most of the legacy software? Or is that an issue with WM?
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Posted: 2008-05-16 14:58:55
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Changing from WM6.1 to WM7 would change the entire SDK, several apps that would work on WM6 would not work anymore. Some will but not all, the native i.e C/C++ apps will generally fail to work, the .NET based apps have a greater chance of working as they are executed over a Virtual Machine, these too might require a bit of code manipulation to work(These are just assumptions, no apps at all might work as well).
The jump from Wm6.1 to WM7 is not just a UI change but a complete underlying OS change, currently WM6 runs on Win CE 5.0 and WM7 is supposed to run on Win CE 6.0. It really depends on the extent of change from 5.0 to 6.0, but from what I hear there are quite a few changes. There was a similar change in the Symbian world from V8 to V9, apps were not backward compatible. The reason why Wm5 and 6 apps are interchangeable is because WM5 and WM6 use the same underlying OS(Win CE 5.0) and theres been hardly any change to the UI or the APIs(Application Programmer Interface).
Note: What I've mentioned above are just guesses and not based on solid fact.
[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-16 14:50 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-16 15:46:53
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