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Of course the design is important!
The small screen is poor design!
The atenna is poor design!
the size is poor design!

And who is buying phones for showoff any more? Nobody would buy 33xx series if they thougth it would impress their friends!

Like we like the design og women we like the design of objects. But you have to remember tha good design is good functionality too. when the screen is too small and the phone is to big then it has poor design. And i haven't began talking about the software in the phone......

I really hope SE will do better!!!
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Posted: 2002-09-26 23:35:00
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Well.. I don't think it's cutting edge technology wise either. I mean ok it's GSM/W-CDMA but that's it. That's what a 3G phone is all about anyway, it wouldn't be a 3G phone if it didn't have W-CDMA. But that's it, it's too big, it's worse feature wise than the best GSM phones. Talk time is really crappy... wap 1.2.1... come on...

I can't see people with High-end GSM phones buying that phone... I mean it's a downgrade from what you have right now. As a concept phone it might be ok, but as a phone that will not be available until next summer it's pure crap.

If 3G is to catch on we need way much better and more innovative phones than this.

And switching between networks is not innovative.. SonyEricsson, Nokia and Motorola has done it so far. That's also part of a 3G phone...(at least to start with)...

[ This Message was edited by: ppcrockar on 2002-09-26 22:58 ]
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Posted: 2002-09-26 23:56:00
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On 2002-09-26 23:35, Hoggi wrote:
Of course the design is important!
The small screen is poor design!
The atenna is poor design!



T39?
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Posted: 2002-09-27 00:11:00
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On 2002-09-26 23:56, ppcrockar wrote:
Well.. I don't think it's cutting edge technology wise either. I mean ok it's GSM/W-CDMA but that's it.

wap 1.2.1... come on...

And switching between networks is not innovative.. SonyEricsson, Nokia and Motorola has done it so far. That's also part of a 3G phone...(at least to start with)...


And how many GSM/WCDMA phones are there, that has been revealed?
Motorola A820 and Nokia 6650. THAT makes these two to cutting edge technology phones.

Feature wise the A820 winns clearly, EMS 5.0, Wap 2.0....

Motorola and Nokia has done it for sure, and they have shown the phones, but how about SE?
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Posted: 2002-09-27 00:23:00
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lets face it if SE has a gsm p800 which has better features than the 3g 6650. i can't wait till SE shows off there 3g model, hopefully sometime soon . but it will take a while for 3g to take off, since most mobile user don't have a clue what GPRS is!
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Posted: 2002-09-27 00:26:00
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Man, am I in a mood today or what?

@Hoggi: The design IS important (I never said that it isn't) but what's inside is even more important (same goes for women too ). The 6650 looks OK to me. You mentioned SE, so, speaking of design, what do you think about T300?

I really hope that SE will do better too, but, let's face it, those guys aren't even capable of producing a complex 2.5G phone like the P800 without major delays, let alone a 3G device. I just hope they won't put a lot of features into their soon-to-be-announced 3G phone, because it will take them 10 years to release it to market...

@ppcrockar: '...ok it's GSM/W-CDMA but that's it...'. That's it!?! I only wish that mobile phones were so simple like you make them sound to be... Sure, that's all part of a 3G phone so anybody can do it... You just buy little chips and glue them together... And if you want switching between networks you just buy another little chip and that's it... There is nothing complex or innovative about that... Everybody does that...

If it so simple, can you name any other phone that can do that except Nokia 6650 and Motorola A820? You don't think that 3G is cutting edge technology? So, what is cutting edge for you?

And, where did you get that 'next summer' crap from? 6650 will be used for testing new 3G networks even before the end of this year. You will be able to buy it in the first half of 2003 (but that depends on the commercial launch of these networks).


[ This Message was edited by: faca on 2002-09-26 23:31 ]
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Posted: 2002-09-27 00:28:00
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On 2002-09-27 00:28, faca wrote:
And, where did you get that 'next summer' crap from? 6650 will be used for testing new 3G networks even before the end of this year. You will be able to buy it in the first half of 2003 (but that depends on the commercial launch of these networks).


[ This Message was edited by: faca on 2002-09-26 23:31 ]


according to this article http://www.mobil.se/nyheter/visa.asp?id=5667&sid=1 they will not starting to sell the 6650 before next summer! but who knows, maby they lie on nokia!? or maby www.mobil.se lie!?

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Posted: 2002-09-27 00:45:00
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Hardware wise it's probably not that much difference between GSM and and W-CDMA phone. It's just another coding technology. And yes you can probably almost just change the radio chips, with software for that of course. But the hardest part of a 3G phone is probably the rest of the software, all multimedia services and so on.

And the fact that it's just Nokia and Motorola that have shown actual phones doesn't mean that no other manufacturers has that. Ericsson has been showing phone that can seamlessly switch between GSM/W-CDMA. This is from CNET News:

"Parent company Ericsson on Tuesday also announced the first live test of a handover of calls between the GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) and WCDMA third-generation mobile standards.

This means that a person talking on a cell phone from a car would automatically have the call transferred from a 3G network covering only a city area to a GSM network when driving into the countryside.

GSM is the world's dominant, second-generation wireless technology, currently used by most European operators. WCDMA is a new standard that enables fast data transfers, particularly useful for data-heavy multimedia services such as video messaging.

"From the operator's point of view you can offer customers complete coverage from the very beginning, and you don't need to have full 3G coverage in a country,'' Ericsson spokesman Peter Olofsson said.

"It has been debated and questioned whether this can be done. We don't know what our competitors are doing, but as far as we know they haven't shown it yet.''"

Well.. W-CDMA is a nice standard and uses the available bandwith better than TDMA, it's still just a form of Transmission coding.

What 3G phones need is something more than can be offered by GSM/GPRS. Ok so it's faster, but that's not enough to make people make the switch to 3G. The 3G phones have to be much more powerful than the GSM/GPRS phones otherwise I don't see 3G beeing a success in many years to come...

And I'm talking about great new innovative software, innovative new services and innovative new solutions on the phones.

Not just a GSM-phone with 3G capabilities, and for sure not a 3G phone with wap 1.2.1.

Maybe I had to high hopes for this one. I thought that Nokia would have presented a phone that would give a sneak-peak of what 3G phones could do... and if it's just this.. then it's nothing spectacular....

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Posted: 2002-09-27 01:03:00
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or maby http://www.mobil.se lie!?


Have you read the magazine Mobil? It's the same as mobil.se
For example they've claimed that you can use a SE bluetooth headset with a 7650, since BT is an open source it works fine even "cross-branded". They also claim that 6310i is dualband only, and that you need SoftGSM software (euro 165) in order to use a T65 as a gprs modem on a pc...

I woldn't trust them too much

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Posted: 2002-09-27 01:15:00
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Any pictures of the SE 3G phone? Other information about it?
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Posted: 2002-09-27 01:29:00
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