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i dont recall anyone posting that the fact hurts them
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Posted: 2006-03-06 01:00:03
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Neither do I.
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Posted: 2006-03-06 01:08:58
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Me too
any way there just trying to figure out weather its the case or not.BUT Now that you have mentioned the Guiness book of world records i now know what the case is
BUT is all this taken into acount ? read bellow!
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On 2006-03-04 18:06:41, slattery69 wrote:
if you took out all the people who were religious because they were forced (by the country they live in) or did nt follow the religion as it was meant to be i wonder what those figures would look like then not just for islam but for all the religions.
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Posted: 2006-03-06 02:37:42
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scots, well bloody said!! Thank you for taking the effort to bring some real statistics into the equation, instead of just using what ever stats you could find to justify your belief system. Thank God for Scots. And when I say "Thank God", I mean Allah, Krishna, The Holy Ghost, Jesus Christ, Buddha, and all the rest.
Afterall, if one believes in God at all, how can you deny that all those Gods are but a cultural interpretation of the magnificance of the true nature of God? How can a christian discount 20% (muslim's) of the world population? How can Muslim's discount 30% of the world's population (the christians)?
It's absurd to stand up and say "My religion is the true religion. We have a monopoly on spiritual righteousness." It's the cause of atleast 50% of wars in known human history.
No one religion has all the answers, and the sooner all religions realise this, the sooner we can all work together to eliminate war. Look at the Palestininas and Jews for example. If BOTH SIDES could let go of religious dogma, then they would be able to work together to share the holy city Jeruselum. As it is, their religious views about Jeruselum and it's importance to their respective religions precludes any sort of solution that meets the needs of both sides.
It's completely INSANE to believe that you have a God given right to use voilence to propogate your views and force them on other people. Blair, Bush, Osama, Terrorists, Sharon, Saddam, all these people are no better than eachother because they all attempt to use force to achieve thier ends, and they are not prepared to compromise to achieve lasting solutions. They are completely insane in my book.
The truth? God is far more powerful, loving, and creative than ANY of the worlds religion's portray. Those individuals who have free'd themselves from the dogma of religion, but still believe in God, generally have a much better understanding of God's loving nature.
And when I say that, I believe the majority of people of all religions are not dogmatic. It is only a minority (fundementalists) who spoil it for the rest. But because liberal christians (for example) identify so strongly with "Chistianity", they see their fundementalist brothers as being closer to them in belief system than a non dogmatic muslim, when infact the non-dogmatic followers of any religion have more in common with eachother (regarding how they see God) than they do with fundamentalists of their own religion. It's the same with Muslims.
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Posted: 2006-03-06 03:59:22
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@max - I'd probably put the figure for the number of wars that could have some relation to religion down to something more like 90%!
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Posted: 2006-03-06 10:16:34
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I would have thought the wars fought over religion/faith would have been even higher than 90% ,..if you look back in history it was all about spreading the faith by the sword,although the last 2 great wars, World war 1 & 2 had nothing to do with religion.
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Posted: 2006-03-06 10:39:56
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I think religion has been a component of many wars, but there are other reasons that are important too e.g. a basic desire for resources, political ideologies, etc. Mind you one could be used as a pretext for another.
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Posted: 2006-03-06 12:10:06
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Muslims around the world are not all poor! Maybe in the African countries and warzone areas, but thats what you guys see on TV!
Also i dont think Islams population growth is the only reason that the stats are so high, maybe we should get stats on people who have chosen Islam and not born into it!
It will be Islam!
Something I find wierd is the amount of christians in Pakistan!!
Theres alot!!!
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Posted: 2006-03-06 12:38:10
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On 2006-03-06 12:38:10, 786KBR wrote:
Muslims around the world are not all poor! Maybe in the African countries and warzone areas, but thats what you guys see on TV!
Also i dont think Islams population growth is the only reason that the stats are so high, maybe we should get stats on people who have chosen Islam and not born into it!
It will be Islam!
Something I find wierd is the amount of christians in Pakistan!!
Theres alot!!!
Indeed thats very true,people in the west generally think that muslims are suffering from extreme forms of povertyin their countries....Although like you said that is true for some nations generally quite a lot of muslims are very affluent..Take the middle east for example..United Arab Emirates,Qatar,Saudia Arabia,Dubai,Brunei Darusalam,Indonesia...these are some very prominant muslim countries who are far from poor...And some of the muslims who reside in the west are extremely well off..in the U.K for example i believe one of the top 10 richest person is a muslim..
The fact of the matter is however you choose to look at it is that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world,..and indeed the No:1 most practiced religon in the world today..I find it ironic that the country that is against Islam so much i.e: U.S is where Islam is spreading the fastest,.more American christians have chosen Islam post 9/11 than ever before..I think the U.S administration policy of make Islam look evil policy policy backfired on them big time...which im very pleased about! ..What the U.S did'nt expect was after they planned and staged 9/11 they this event would bring Islam to the forfront and rattle people curiousity into the faith...After the 9/11 the Quran was almost sold out everywhere in the U.S and here in europe their was a shortage aswell.
786KBR christians account for 10% of the population in pakistan and believe it or not they are even some jews in pakistan.
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Posted: 2006-03-06 12:58:47
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KOn 2006-03-06 12:58:47, axxxr wrote:
Indeed thats very true,people in the west generally think that muslims are suffering from extreme forms of povertyin their countries....
That's a rather broad generalisation to make. You are are saying that all people in the West think that all Muslims are poverty stricken. Do you have any evidence for this? From what I can see most Westerners probably think that many Muslims are living in poverty or are very poor since many Muslim countries are poverty stricken, especially in Africa. However, that isn't to say that all Westerners think that all Muslims are living in poverty.
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Although like you said that is true for some nations generally quite a lot of muslims are very affluent..Take the middle east for example..United Arab Emirates,Qatar,Saudia Arabia,Dubai,Brunei Darusalam,Indonesia...these are some very prominant muslim countries who are far from poor...And some of the muslims who reside in the west are extremely well off..in the U.K for example i believe one of the top 10 richest person is a muslim..
More unsabstantiated generalisations. "...generally quite a lot of muslims are very affluent." The simple fact of this last statement is that it is not true; generally many Muslims are far from affluent. If you look at where the majority of the world's Muslims reside they are living in countries, which are not very rich and which tend to concentrate their wealth in the hands of a relatively small number of people. This is also true for some of the richer Muslim nations.
I'm not sure exactly what your point about rich British Muslims is; I doubt whether many British people see the British Muslim community as being fantastically different in economic terms to the rest of the country.
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The fact of the matter is however you choose to look at it is that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world,
People keep saying this and I keeping thinking the same thing, so what? Why exactly is this being mentioned?
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..and indeed the No:1 most practiced religon in the world today..
What are you basing this assertion on? The world's Christian population is more than 2 billion, which is larger than the world's Muslim population. On the face of it Christianity would appear to be the world's most practiced religion. However, what criteria are being used to decide who practices a particular religion? For all we know there could be more practicing Hindus than Christians.
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I find it ironic that the country that is against Islam so much i.e: U.S is where Islam is spreading the fastest,.
The United States is not anti-Islam and no matter how many times you repeat the mantra that it is, it won't be any truer (see how I worked a wee religious pun in there). Your own statement is paradoxical, if the U.S. were anti-Islamic it would hardly be allowing Islam to spread within its borders.
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more American christians have chosen Islam post 9/11 than ever before..I think the U.S administration policy of make Islam look evil policy policy backfired on them big time...which im very pleased about! ..
The extremists are the people making Islam look evil; the people who blow up innocent women and children in the name of Islam. These are people who deliberately set out to kill innocent people, irrespective of age, gender or religion. Thankfully most people realise that such actions are the work of extremists and that they are not representative of Islam, but their actions do serve to further increase fear and suffering.
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What the U.S did'nt expect was after they planned and staged 9/11 they this event would bring Islam to the forfront and rattle people curiousity into the faith...After the 9/11 the Quran was almost sold out everywhere in the U.S and here in europe their was a shortage aswell.
Clearly you seem to think that an increase in interest in Islam and/or the buying of Qurans constitutes some sort of victory over the U.S., presumably steming from your earlier assertion that the U.S. is 'anti-Islamic' (depsite the fact that it safeguards freedom of religion, does not prohibit Islamic worship and presumably facilitates the sale of a large number of Qurans).
Presumably people were buying the Quran because they wanted to find out about Islam. What exactly does that (and the growth rate of Islam) have to do with the subject of this thread?
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