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It's in my opinion that it is not an issue about whether religious or political topics cause rifts between members, but rather an issue where various members treat their own opinion as fact.
Nothing aggrivates me more when people refuse to accept another side, or at least try to empathize.
I wish forums had "small minds" detectors which automatically prevented members from posting in threads they can't contribute constructively to.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 04:57:00
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I guess this THREAD will OUTBEST all of the other ones having discussed matters re: RELIGION and POLITICS !
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Posted: 2006-03-18 05:03:13
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On 2006-03-18 02:54:24, max_wedge wrote:
I see what you are saying, but I must also mention, I have been in a flame war or two myself, but I actually still like and respect those I've had flames with. For example good old mib1800, who seems to have left for greener Nokia pastures, was very dogmatic, but he stuck with you through a flame and eventually you could get him to see reason, and even if he didn't agree he would grudgingly admit you "might" be right. He also was prepared to give reasons for his position, so I actually have lot of respect for mib1800, despite his often anti-SE stance. (I might even get flamed for saying that
) No matter how much we argued, mib never insulted me personally. It came close (on both sides) but ultimately neither of us was so adamant about our position that we thought it worth putting anyone down over.
When a thread descends into unreserved name calling, I think Mods need to step in and take action. Anything else is just healthy argument
That's how it should be! I've recently been in a bit of a flame war with someone, and was helping them in another thread at the same time!
My problem, as I say, is not against these types of threads, but some peoples' behaviour in them. The problem with religion and politics is that some people have very set and rigid views on them, and won't budge for anything or anyone, and if anyone questions their beliefs on a subject they get very annoyed and start hurling personal insults at them. It's that reaction I don't like, rather than simply acknowledging your differences and agreeing to disagree, rather like Max and Mib1800 did.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 10:41:13
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Sorry about breaking the chain of discussion here, but I was reading on wikipedia about some pretty bad flame wars happening a few years back. Is that the example that you guys are referring to?
Anyway, being pretty new here, the worst fight on esato that I've read up to now would be the one where vanquish unlimately left. That was the one where us guys were discussing a change of theme for esato. That was pretty ugly and I can see what you guys mean when you say that you don't want personla attacks on each other.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 12:52:19
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well that's interesting gossip - never realised that was the thread that was the cause of vanquish's demise :-0 .
I did see fallout from the issue result in some vandalism of Esato's wiki - fortunantely it was able to be rebuilt from history.
@Sammy_boy, re: "That's how it should be! I've recently been in a bit of a flame war with someone, and was helping them in another thread at the same time!" Classic example mate
Exactly what I'm talking about.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 15:45:34
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Now we are just wasting our time as this has been discussed before and nothing will change as we have a freedom of speech here (unless laffen change the rules), so live with it !
Btw, sorry Axxxr I won't reply to the quotes you made on my first post as it's an endless discussion and I'm tired of that
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Posted: 2006-03-18 16:06:24
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Truth is it's one big happy family here most of the time
Like all happy family's there is the occasional feud or falling out
You get that.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 16:29:52
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On 2006-03-18 03:08:49, axxxr wrote:
Sammy_boy you do have have a good point but we have all been here before with a similer discussion.The problem is not with the pollitical/religious debates but the members who can't respect the posters/members viewpoint,and lower themselves to petty insults...
Oh, the irony!
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Posted: 2006-03-18 18:12:58
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On 2006-03-17 20:01:41, slattery69 wrote:
like ive said post opinions as such and post facts with research backup or run the risk of been called to task.
if we all did that then these discussions could exist
That's a good point you make. I think it's all too easy to say that one should respect others' opinions and make claims regarding freedom of speech, but I think that certain fundamental practicalities are being ignored. If one is intent upon posting controversial material then one should expect a response. If one wishes to discuss controversial issues then one should be prepared to defend one's views if they are challenged and not balk when substantiating data is required to either support one's own line of argument or to disprove another's.
It is all very well talking the talk and proclaiming that one should be free to discuss this that and the next thing, but if one is unable or unwilling to engage in reasoned debate and to support one's arguments when called upon to do so then one should not bemoan others challenging one's views and showing errors in them. If one cannot stand the heat then one should not be in the kitchen.
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Posted: 2006-03-18 19:41:16
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if people dont like policitcs and religion threads then dont read em, thats my one line summary
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Posted: 2006-03-18 19:54:54
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