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@Dogmann- this is more like it- FACTS! I agree with your post 90 percent. I've said this before and I'll say it again, the p990i was released too soon- a work in progress. It is a disservice to the R380s. The p800 up to the p910 were worthy successors to the great r380s. I'm with SE because of Ericsson but if SE doesn't wake up I may be gone as well. Hopefully the replacement of the p990i changes my mind cause for once in my life a nokia (e90) entices me greatly. One last chance SE!
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Posted: 2007-02-22 10:22:00
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@kooletz, so, and saying the P990 was made with SE "owning" UIQ is no far strech??? And that all was done 6 months ago??? Please...
And in no moment i said SE has no responsibility in the OS...its just that that is different to say it had ALL the responsibility like mr Mario was implying
Mr Mario, FIRST, if anyone has been insulting people over esato, ITS NOT ME
Second, if s60 v3 has more multitasking capability than older s60 versions, than, Nokia must had really poor devices, because older symbian version were effectively less RAM hungry. Anyway, i talk with lots of s60 owners at mobile-review, and they say they could open more apps with 6680, n70, etc, than with the new devices. The fact Nokia had to put 128mb RAM on E90 shows "how good" s60 v3 multitasking is (like UIQ3 - SE will also have to put more RAM on next devices).
Third, so having negotiations is similar to controling and actually owning a company??? Fact is, untill the end of 2006/start of 2007 UIQ was an independent company.
[ This Message was edited by: ares on 2007-02-22 10:32 ]
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Posted: 2007-02-22 11:31:03
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I agree, we should behave properly. Mario, there is almost no post from your side where you are not making fun and insulting ares, openly or cleverly so please be an example of what you preach.
It is very clear that SE made a huge mistake by delaying and then launching P990 with first fw, that many people experienced huge problems with it and returned their phone and that the price dropped so now one can buy it much cheaper than before.
But it is equally true that many people ( specially after two latest fws) are very satisfied with their phone, that for them the phone is not barely usable but rather amazing all in one device.Not perfect in the strict sense of the term and maybe never will be before some other series come to existence but absolutely worth buying.
So dogmann's and mario's attitude is multiple bad things with a million and nicely neglect the good side or mention it occasionally as something insignificant. That makes an impression that they are SE haters or I don't know nokia fun boys and automatically that ares, me and other satisfied users are SE fun boys. At the end it sometimes goes to a kind of war without necessity.
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Posted: 2007-02-22 13:57:41
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Ares
It is you that constantly insults people for daring to criticize the almighty SE and if you think i can be bothered to trawl through the now hundreds of posts on threads just to show you what you have said you really are crazy. I know what you have said i haven't imagined it and if i hadn't seen it i wouldn't of commented on it would i as that would just make me stupid.
The contradictions are there for any one to see if they can bothered, the fact is you defend SE always and can see them having done nothing wrong and it appears to you that to constantly have to reformat and reset a device on a regular basis is wholly acceptable you never question how or why so many people end up with corrupted data as in your opinion this is always something the user has done.
Even SEUS not correctly downloading the firmware correctly is the users fault, you believe what ever makes you happy but it seems when i not quite so angry that many people see the logic and facts that back up my opinion. Yet again for the umpteenth time i do not hate SE i do how ever have no respect for the way they have treated their customers and your point about S60 3rd Edition being more hungry is already acknowledged as fact so how does pointing this out excuse SE's behaviour as it quite simply doesn't.
Plus S60 even though more Ram intensive due to Symbian 9.1 is still better at multitasking and stable with far less problems then UIQ it may not be as able at multitasking as previous Symbian versions but that is the same for all Symbian 9.1 devices so the point you make here has no value.
The fact i have over 22mb of Ram on start and have had since the first firmware update and can Multitask by exercising some control with a Task manager to my heart s delight with very little problems. I have had no Kern Exec errors and never seen the brilliant your device has restarted to improve performance and all this was achieved with 2 firmware upgrades in what by any bodies opinion is a much more advanced and complicated device.
It's spec is superior to the P990 in everything but having a touchscreen which it was not designed to have as it was not wanted. Now for 7 months you have said they will fix it in next new firmware this still has not happened has it? So just how many more firmwares do you think it is going to take then? Maybe by their first birthday or maybe the code is actually so badly written it will be never.
The reason i think SE will wind down the little support they are giving UIQ3 once UIQ3.1 launched is not stated as fact it is only my opinion and stated as such. But from the way SE have behaved since launch of these devices i think it's a relatively good bet, and that they will just expect you to buy another device as all they really seem to care about is takeing your money. Otherwise they wouldn't of dared launch devices that had no right to be sold, the suits and Sony have ruined Ericsson IMO as all they care about is profit and perceived market share.
Finally as much as you like to attack S60 3rd Edition you can not compare the way Nokia have communicated with their customers and implemented speedy remedies to any problems that were identified to the total lack of communication and action from SE and that's the whole point of my complaints against SE they released devices that were in no way ready for launch and they then failed to communicate with their customers or remedy the many issues fast enough. As i have said before had it not been for CellPhoneSoft and their excellent software the devices would of been left virtually unusable at launch IMO.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-02-22 14:46:17
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I won´t spend more time discussing what you repeat over and over, only this:
Quote:So just how many more firmwares do you think it is going to take then? Maybe by their first birthday or maybe the code is actually so badly written it will be never.
Have you been actually reading anything about the P990 lately??? The January and February firmwares made the phone STABLE. So why do you keep with the sarcasm??? You´re satisfied with YOUR n93, but even yesterday i read someone here at esato saying the n93 is "slow", and you quickly jumped "its older fw bla bla bla", without knowing that for sure. Plus i know plenty of people with n80´s and n73´s that turn off during calls, are slow, etc. so what gives??? Hypocrisy...
I will leave you now with your friend mario and the other people that just want to help us poor people and show us how SE evil
bye
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Posted: 2007-02-22 15:40:54
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Well, not ALL p990' are "wanna be smartphones" had mine since new on R7, its also a branded phone, it has always worked fine, its a superb progresion from p800, p900, everything works fine, only gripe is no rss feeds, but thats Orange's fault, not SE.
I also dont agree tht the qwerty buttons are "no use" i use mine "flip off" & find i very often use the buttons for menus & the only actions you cant do with them can be done on screen with the thumb quickly, while my other hand caan aadd to the speed by operating the jog, all this stuff about not being able to use the phone "flip off" without getting the stylus out every minute sounds like someone who hasnt yet found all the button functions yet.
niether was i ripped off, mine was £200 new (outright, ie no contract, makes me laugh when people who are paying huge monthly contract payments describe there phone as "free")
Having said all that, OBVIOUSLY some p990's came from the factory in completely unuseable form, these people should have simply returned them.
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Posted: 2007-02-22 16:04:21
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On 2007-02-22 15:40:54, ares wrote:
I won´t spend more time discussing what you repeat over and over, only this:
Quote:So just how many more firmwares do you think it is going to take then? Maybe by their first birthday or maybe the code is actually so badly written it will be never.
Have you been actually reading anything about the P990 lately??? The January and February firmwares made the phone STABLE. So why do you keep with the sarcasm??? You´re satisfied with YOUR n93, but even yesterday i read someone here at esato saying the n93 is "slow", and you quickly jumped "its older fw bla bla bla", without knowing that for sure. Plus i know plenty of people with n80´s and n73´s that turn off during calls, are slow, etc. so what gives??? Hypocrisy...
I will leave you now with your friend mario and the other people that just want to help us poor people and show us how SE evil
bye
Ares buddy lets leave it there , I see now, is either your way or no way. And yes I have both N70 (my old cell) and a brand new N73 (both have the latest firmware). You realize, there is no need for me to be biased/lie. The N73 is superior to the N70, multitasking included.
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Posted: 2007-02-22 16:22:42
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Ares
The reason i have had to repeat it time and time again is because you fail to answer the charges i lay against SE every time. Even though we are discussing the P990 and UIQ you always bring S60 into the discussion we are not talking about S60 and the pros or cons of this OS or how Nokia have behaved.
We are discussing how SE has behaved and released a device that by your own admission only now some 7 months later has got better. This is what i am saying is wrong and this what i say SE are wrong for doing.
A last point because this now bores me even more than it bores you, if i was such a great SE hater as you claim. Why here on this very Forum where some one started a thread should we start a class action suit against SE did I advise no as IMO the time for that has past as now the device has changed sufficiently to no longer warrant this action.
If it was going to be done it needed to be within the first couple of months after release when by anyone's standards it was most certainly a sub standard device that did not function properly or as advertised it would.
Those are the very simple points and my beef against SE along with thier total lack of communication, they released the device to paying members of the Public at a high price that was not able to function or fulfill its promise even with serious work rounds and the excellent CellPhoneSoft software and no one will ever convince me otherwise. Put bluntly and simply this device should not of shipped till it had reached the Firmwares released in 2007 as then the complaints would of been negligible and easily resolved. SE launched 6 months early due to it already being so severely delayed and they wanted your money.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-02-22 19:42:10
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ahmmmm well i know ive done my fair share of bashing the p990 and i will be the first to admit it does have its fair share of bugs but no more than i have learnt to live with....the new OS is a bit on the confused side-it does make life a bit difficult ie simple things like zooming on an image cant be done in flip open fullscreen mode yet can be done in flip closed mode and in the camera gallery mode-confused!!!-well thats the p990 for u....Inspite of these few overlooked simple bugs when u get to grips with the p990(2-3months using it)it begins to reveal its secrets ...for me anyway i have to say the p990 is a great device when all its possibilities are taken into account especially the hardware input controls...touchscreen,jogwheel, normalkeypad,qwerty keypad and several other dedicated button (give any other phone which makes your life sooo much easy).i think this point is worth considering again...being a not so careful person ive dropped my phone onto the tarmac road 3 times very violently while running to catch the train ,bearing in mind that it was not protected,and several times elsewhere in each of those cases ive only got dents on the phone and no internal damage to the phone(i know of a few smartphones where one big fall will mean go buy a new phone).For me at least when all things are taken into consideration i have come to the conclusion that whilst sceptical at first about the p990 at first i have now learnt to live with some of its shotcomings which by the way are not many(i use mine 3-5hours a day on diff functions and i only get a problem once or twice a week)and with the right kind of programs the experience really is great yaaap im really enjoying my device ps as an afterthought SE may not be that Great but when compared to other manufactures they are Super considering the aftersales service they provide ie all the firmware releases ,at least we know they are trying
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Posted: 2007-02-22 21:06:41
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On 2007-02-22 19:42:10, Dogmann wrote:
against SE.....they released the device to paying members of the Public at a high price that was not able to function or fulfill its promise even with serious work rounds and the excellent CellPhoneSoft software and no one will ever convince me otherwise.
@dogmann
Just for the record I believe the following are your own words (which means you have already convinced yourself long time ago but forgot it unfortunately):
Dogmann wrote on november 2006 quote: ....yes i accept many of you are happy P990 users and by careful management of Ram using SwissManager are able to do most if not all that you wish.
But my point is simple it is a smart phone it should be able to do all that is asked of it without the need to have to monitor and mange Ram....end of quote
Fortunately with the latest two fw we can do exactly that - no more careful monitoring and managing Ram in order to do all that we wish.
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Posted: 2007-02-22 21:19:35
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