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Trust me man,you don't want to find yourself 6months down the line regreting that you had NOT taken a phone with an OS. The new s60 OS9.2 phones like the N95, N95-8GB, N76, 5700, E90, 6110 Navi etc. . . Are VERY fast around the menus, ive played with N95 and N76 they are like Java phones. you cant be making your decision based on N70 and 6680 they are both nearly 2years old now, with the 6680 being a bit older out of the two but both running the same s60 os8 which is old.
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Posted: 2007-10-04 17:24:55
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I'd choose W910. Why? Cause is slim, light and sexy
N81 is H-E-A-V-Y (140g), kinda fat (18mm, compared with W910's 12.5 mm), doesn't have HSPDA, is Symbian = slow (compared with normal phones), and is a fingerprint magnet
[ This Message was edited by: JuanPablo on 2007-10-04 16:27 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-04 17:27:08
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yup what gucci says is true....but only good to get a s60 phone when your using all the features or most of them
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Posted: 2007-10-04 17:28:02
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i dont think the weight will be a problem for me, right now i dont need a OS, but like gucci says i might want 1 a few months down the line, will the new JP-8 be able to do anything special? i know it wont be close to a s60 OS, but maybe enough for me
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Posted: 2007-10-04 17:43:27
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go for a w910i
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Posted: 2007-10-04 17:48:49
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On 2007-10-04 17:43:27, kyle_274 wrote:
, right now i dont need a OS, but like gucci says i might want 1 a few months down the line, will the new JP-8 be able to do anything special? i know it wont be close to a s60 OS, but maybe enough for me
Here some information about JP-8:
Java 2, Micro Edition, Java MIDP 2.0
PDA Optional Packages for J2ME Platform (JSR 75)
Java API for Bluetooth™ (JSR 82)
Wireless Messaging API (JSR 120/205)
Mobile Media API (JSR 135)
Web Services (JSR 172)
Advanced Multimedia Supplements API (Camera capabilities of JSR 234)
Java Technology for the Wireless Industry (JSR 185)
MIDP 2.0 (JSR 118)
CLDC 1.1 (JSR 139)
Mobile Services Architecture (MSA) umbrella standard JSR 248:
Security & Trust Services API (JSR 177)
SIP API for Java ME (JSR 180)
Mobile 3D Graphics API (JSR 184 1.1)
Content Handler API (JSR 211)
Scalable 2D Vector Graphics API for Java ME (JSR 226)
Payment API (JSR 229)
Mobile Internationalization API (JSR 238)
Sony Ericsson additions; not mandated in MSA:
Java Binding for the OpenGL® ES API (JSR 239)
Java 3D 1.1
Mascot Capsule Micro3D Version 3
Mobile 3D Graphics API for Java ME (JSR 184 1.1)
W910 Walkman phone
In a slimline,"slider" form factor, the stylish W910 Walkman phone takes games and music playing to the next level – the Shake control uses the accelerometer for game play or music track selection and the SensMe™ feature allows end-users to browse music files using tempo and style. The W910 includes the latest version of Sony Ericsson's PlayNow™ mobile download service (PlayNow 4.0) which gives other-the-air access to an extensive catalog of games, mastertones and music tracks from Sony BMG.
In addition to the latest version of the Walkman player (Walkman 3.0), the W910 has a 320x240 pixel 262K TFT QVGA display, 2 megapixel camera, 40MB internal memory, Memory Stick Micro removable storage, picture & video blogging, new Media Manager PC software and A/B buttons for landscape mode gaming.
The W910 will be available during Q4 2007. The W918 is a GSM variant specifically for the Chinese market where 3G services are not established. More information and specifications here>>
Mobile Services Architecture (MSA)
Both the K850 and W910 are based on JP-8 which supports the MSA umbrella standard (JSR 248). MSA aims to reduce fragmentation for the Java community in two ways:
MSA defines a clear set of component JSRs that must be supported (mandatory JSRs) on next-generation mobile phones.
MSA gives less room for interpretation in the implementation of the JSRs by clarifying the conditions for interaction between them and for optional JSRs.
W910 Walkman phone.
The mandatory APIs supported through MSA include 3D graphics, personal information management, Bluetooth™, Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG), web services, location services and payment services for Java ME (Micro Edition). Sony Ericsson has supported several of these APIs in its earlier Java Platform versions but with MSA there is finally industry alignment and a clear set of expectations on the implementation of these JSRs. With MSA, the mass-market mobile phone becomes an increasingly capable platform for enterprise development and it will be possible to ensure secure data storage and communication and create new innovative applications.
MSA reduces variations in the platform environment and creates a predictable environment for application developers, reducing porting issues when creating new applications and games for mass-market feature-rich phones.
A full listing of all JSRs supported by JP-8 can be found here>>
Gaming using JSR 256, Mobile Sensor API for accelerometer applications
Both the K850 and W910 support the Mobile Sensor API (JSR 256), a non-mandated MSA JSR, and come preloaded with THQ Wireless' Marble Madness game. This Mascot Capsule v3 game uses JSR 256 to detect movement in the orientation of the phone and translates this input to controlling the rolling marble in the game.
"THQ Wireless is very excited to be one of the first developers to make use of the accelerometer functionality available on the Sony Ericsson K850 and W910," said Therese Cedercreutz, Director Business Development and Sales for THQ Wireless North and Central Europe.
"It's as if these phones were invented just to play Marble Madness! The accelerometer allows you to tilt your phone to control a marble on the screen as if it were in the phone itself. The game originates from the handheld boxes which were tilted to move a marble throughout a maze. The K850 and W910 phones provide the same responsive feedback and suspense of the original game, but with much bigger and much more interesting 3D mazes, and of course without the handheld box!"
Source:
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]7/p_k850_w910_newjp8phones.jsp
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Posted: 2007-10-04 18:09:48
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On 2007-10-04 18:09:48, JuanPablo wrote:
On 2007-10-04 17:43:27, kyle_274 wrote:
, right now i dont need a OS, but like gucci says i might want 1 a few months down the line, will the new JP-8 be able to do anything special? i know it wont be close to a s60 OS, but maybe enough for me
Here some information about JP-8:
Java 2, Micro Edition, Java MIDP 2.0
PDA Optional Packages for J2ME Platform (JSR 75)
Java API for Bluetooth™ (JSR 82)
Wireless Messaging API (JSR 120/205)
Mobile Media API (JSR 135)
Web Services (JSR 172)
Advanced Multimedia Supplements API (Camera capabilities of JSR 234)
Java Technology for the Wireless Industry (JSR 185)
MIDP 2.0 (JSR 118)
CLDC 1.1 (JSR 139)
Mobile Services Architecture (MSA) umbrella standard JSR 248:
Security & Trust Services API (JSR 177)
SIP API for Java ME (JSR 180)
Mobile 3D Graphics API (JSR 184 1.1)
Content Handler API (JSR 211)
Scalable 2D Vector Graphics API for Java ME (JSR 226)
Payment API (JSR 229)
Mobile Internationalization API (JSR 238)
Sony Ericsson additions; not mandated in MSA:
Java Binding for the OpenGL® ES API (JSR 239)
Java 3D 1.1
Mascot Capsule Micro3D Version 3
Mobile 3D Graphics API for Java ME (JSR 184 1.1)
W910 Walkman phone
In a slimline,"slider" form factor, the stylish W910 Walkman phone takes games and music playing to the next level – the Shake control uses the accelerometer for game play or music track selection and the SensMe™ feature allows end-users to browse music files using tempo and style. The W910 includes the latest version of Sony Ericsson's PlayNow™ mobile download service (PlayNow 4.0) which gives other-the-air access to an extensive catalog of games, mastertones and music tracks from Sony BMG.
In addition to the latest version of the Walkman player (Walkman 3.0), the W910 has a 320x240 pixel 262K TFT QVGA display, 2 megapixel camera, 40MB internal memory, Memory Stick Micro removable storage, picture & video blogging, new Media Manager PC software and A/B buttons for landscape mode gaming.
The W910 will be available during Q4 2007. The W918 is a GSM variant specifically for the Chinese market where 3G services are not established. More information and specifications here>>
Mobile Services Architecture (MSA)
Both the K850 and W910 are based on JP-8 which supports the MSA umbrella standard (JSR 248). MSA aims to reduce fragmentation for the Java community in two ways:
MSA defines a clear set of component JSRs that must be supported (mandatory JSRs) on next-generation mobile phones.
MSA gives less room for interpretation in the implementation of the JSRs by clarifying the conditions for interaction between them and for optional JSRs.
W910 Walkman phone.
The mandatory APIs supported through MSA include 3D graphics, personal information management, Bluetooth™, Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG), web services, location services and payment services for Java ME (Micro Edition). Sony Ericsson has supported several of these APIs in its earlier Java Platform versions but with MSA there is finally industry alignment and a clear set of expectations on the implementation of these JSRs. With MSA, the mass-market mobile phone becomes an increasingly capable platform for enterprise development and it will be possible to ensure secure data storage and communication and create new innovative applications.
MSA reduces variations in the platform environment and creates a predictable environment for application developers, reducing porting issues when creating new applications and games for mass-market feature-rich phones.
A full listing of all JSRs supported by JP-8 can be found here>>
Gaming using JSR 256, Mobile Sensor API for accelerometer applications
Both the K850 and W910 support the Mobile Sensor API (JSR 256), a non-mandated MSA JSR, and come preloaded with THQ Wireless' Marble Madness game. This Mascot Capsule v3 game uses JSR 256 to detect movement in the orientation of the phone and translates this input to controlling the rolling marble in the game.
"THQ Wireless is very excited to be one of the first developers to make use of the accelerometer functionality available on the Sony Ericsson K850 and W910," said Therese Cedercreutz, Director Business Development and Sales for THQ Wireless North and Central Europe.
"It's as if these phones were invented just to play Marble Madness! The accelerometer allows you to tilt your phone to control a marble on the screen as if it were in the phone itself. The game originates from the handheld boxes which were tilted to move a marble throughout a maze. The K850 and W910 phones provide the same responsive feedback and suspense of the original game, but with much bigger and much more interesting 3D mazes, and of course without the handheld box!"
Source:
http://developer.sonyericsson[....]7/p_k850_w910_newjp8phones.jsp
um??? i cant really under stand that...lol, does that mean there will be better and improved apps???
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Posted: 2007-10-04 18:39:26
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On 2007-10-04 14:42:38, QVGA wrote:
@QVGA
1.Java is now more attractive than the past. got many application nowdays. I got also S60 and It didnt that much better than java platform , but it slower than java platform.
2. "got million timmes better screen"? lol but W910's battery is million timmes better than N81's one. What do you prefer ?;) (W910's screen is really nice)
3. "brilliant legibility in direct sunlight"? you tried W910 and N81 that you can compare?
4.WiFi? I prefer HSDPA because It's more available and faster ( I got N80 )
4.nGage platform?, nothing special about n81 graphic chip, just branded as ngage phone. W910 with its new java platform and motion sensor can has nice games.
My opinion : I prefer W910 because It's got Walkman 3 player, thinner, ,bigger screen, HSDPA.
[ This Message was edited by: darknoob on 2007-10-05 07:34 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-04 19:03:27
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If you want a hi-end music player with cool gaming capabilities and a slim and sexy housing go for the W910 deffo. (plus, GUI is unbeatable)
Also, it has a pretty damn big screen!
You can always buy a 8GB M2 card if you're low on space.
[ This Message was edited by: NightBlade on 2007-10-04 18:14 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-04 19:13:13
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ok iv thought about it...im gonne get the w910...just because i doubt i will be needing a S60 phone, i can just hope i wont. thanks all for ur help...it was greatly appriciated
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Posted: 2007-10-04 19:39:49
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