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On 2008-04-17 16:40:50, F-Lexx wrote:
Stop comparing camera phones to D-SLRs. Digital cameras afford to have MUCH bigger sensors than phones. And perhaps at those sizes, CMOS has become competitive.
But the fact remains, CMOS needs more light than CCD. And at the milimetric sizes that sensors come in phones, CMOS is a bad alternative. They take noisy, poor quality photos in bad lighting and increasing the exposure just makes the pictures shaky unless using a tripod. I just can't accept this happening in SE's "Cybershot" branded phones...
I was only comparing them as other people seem to use them as a benchmark for some reason. I think we need to have the better quality CMOS rather than the cheap ones that the phone manufacturers use.
The problem is that there will never be an ideal solution. If they put in CCD's the phones will not hold a charge for a s long and will cost a little more, which people will complain about. If they put in the cheap CMOS they make the phones with better battery life and a bit cheaper but people still complain as the pictures arent as good. Whatever happens people complain.
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Posted: 2008-04-17 16:51:17
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I agree that we should start a petition. I also want VGA video recording and xenon flash in high-end cyber shot phones
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Posted: 2008-04-17 16:52:39
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i second the motion. here is hoping that "true" DVD quality video recording (not just "DVD-like") will be implemented in the next flagship Cybershot phone..
not unless Sony will bring the Handycam branding to phones..well, thats another story.
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Posted: 2008-04-17 18:54:29
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On 2008-04-17 16:51:17, jcwhite_uk wrote:
I was only comparing them as other people seem to use them as a benchmark for some reason. I think we need to have the better quality CMOS rather than the cheap ones that the phone manufacturers use.
The problem is that there will never be an ideal solution. If they put in CCD's the phones will not hold a charge for a s long and will cost a little more, which people will complain about. If they put in the cheap CMOS they make the phones with better battery life and a bit cheaper but people still complain as the pictures arent as good. Whatever happens people complain.
Jc, not the first time you bring in dSLRs when defending CMOS against CCD, is it?
I agree with you about the need for better quality CMOS sensors. But since you mentioned the A700 dSLR, Sony's huge IMX021 12 MP sensor is of course a great improvement over older CMOS sensors but still quite a long way to reach the IQ of CCD sensors. Read the specs and compare the
IMX021 with the
ICX495 5 MP CCD used in the i-mobile 902. Pay attention to the cell size (pixel size) and sensitivity on page two of both PDFs. Notice that the cell size is six times larger in the IMX021 while it's sensitivity is only three times higher. Wouldn't that mean that a EXMOR sensor has to be twice as large as a CCD sensor to reach the same sensitivity?
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Posted: 2008-04-17 21:06:17
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On 2008-04-17 16:51:17, jcwhite_uk wrote:
On 2008-04-17 16:40:50, F-Lexx wrote:
Stop comparing camera phones to D-SLRs. Digital cameras afford to have MUCH bigger sensors than phones. And perhaps at those sizes, CMOS has become competitive.
But the fact remains, CMOS needs more light than CCD. And at the milimetric sizes that sensors come in phones, CMOS is a bad alternative. They take noisy, poor quality photos in bad lighting and increasing the exposure just makes the pictures shaky unless using a tripod. I just can't accept this happening in SE's "Cybershot" branded phones...
I was only comparing them as other people seem to use them as a benchmark for some reason. I think we need to have the better quality CMOS rather than the cheap ones that the phone manufacturers use.
The problem is that there will never be an ideal solution. If they put in CCD's the phones will not hold a charge for a s long and will cost a little more, which people will complain about. If they put in the cheap CMOS they make the phones with better battery life and a bit cheaper but people still complain as the pictures arent as good. Whatever happens people complain.
The I-mobile 902's battery life is just fine as someone already mentioned. In terms of sensors the size that are used in cell phones, CCD is the only quality option as of now. CCD uses more power but, with the size of sensor used in phones how much of a impact can it have on battery life? Impact on battery life will only be relative to camera usage anyway. If the phone can deliver 4-5 hours talk time and take HIGH quality photos and be a decent music player, how could it not be a best-seller?
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Posted: 2008-04-18 01:46:31
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If CCD wastes battery that much, how come my friend's S700 lasts at least 2 days? at that time S700 only uses 780mah li-ion battery. battery consumption is also amplified by it's monstrous(at it's time) display. so if S700 with high resolution display and CCD camera manages to have very decent battery life then what more with new SE phones that has been blessed with higher capacity batteries? imobile-902's physical size simply lambasts the preconceptions and prejudices that CCD requires larger form factor to fit with.
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Posted: 2008-04-18 03:04:38
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On 2008-04-18 03:04:38, razec wrote:
If CCD wastes battery that much, how come my friend's S700 lasts at least 2 days? at that time S700 only uses 780mah li-ion battery. battery consumption is also amplified by it's monstrous(at it's time) display. so if S700 with high resolution display and CCD camera manages to have very decent battery life then what more with new SE phones that has been blessed with higher capacity batteries? imobile-902's physical size simply lambasts the preconceptions and prejudices that CCD requires larger form factor to fit with.
Yeah what he said^
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Posted: 2008-04-18 03:24:23
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CCD sensor (if it will ever be implemented this 2008) imo will be most appropriately placed on a C phone and not a K.
The C series carry the cybershot name now..
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Posted: 2008-04-18 15:37:58
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You're right. And i'm having a bad feeling about the C902's camera quality..
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Posted: 2008-04-19 19:32:42
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And so you should be as it sucks.
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Posted: 2008-04-19 19:35:15
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