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On 2008-04-29 14:05:13, Boinng wrote:
On 2008-04-29 14:02:35, QVGA wrote:
@boinng
P1 doesnt have a QWERTY keypad.
@QVGA, yes it does, and a very fine one at that.
Half a QWERTY. Half as better as the real thing.
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Posted: 2008-04-29 14:16:03
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@QVGA, it may be smaller in size but its definitly a QWERTY keyboard. The ingenious design makes it fully usable and I can type on it much faster than I can use T9, for example, though clearly not as fast as a full size keyboard
by your definion the E90 keyboard is not full qwerty either... more like 3/4
anyway, QWERTY describes the layout of the keys, not the size of the keyboard, so P1 is most definitly QWERTY (or QWERTZ or AZERTY depending on where you buy it from!)
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Posted: 2008-04-29 14:27:57
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What Masseur said. It's a full Qwerty in every way that counts, every letter has a button behind it, the rocker design above is just a bloody good idea, that's all.
All of these devices we're talking about are phones, which makes any qwerty on them no more than a thumbboard in any case. Even in the E90, although they've gone great lengths to make it look like a "proper" keyboard, the weighting is all designed around you holding it and using your thumbs. It's quite uncomfortable and impractical to use on a desk - and little different to the P1 in that regard.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-04-29 13:41 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-29 14:40:00
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On 2008-04-29 00:15:17, BobaFett wrote:
if it comes to support, then symbian rules, thats fact. just check how many apps and support u have for uiq and how many for symbian os...
Ummm... I hope you don't mean SE fw support. Granted, they do exchange phones without too much hassle but their software support is almost non existent.
As for comparing the number of applications for UIQ vs (by Symbian I assume you mean) S60, there really is no comparison, S60 has more titles by a multitude than UIQ.
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Posted: 2008-04-29 23:41:56
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P1i is a great phone, IMO far more practical then N90 or N95.
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Posted: 2008-04-30 00:54:46
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practical maybe for some at usage, cos of the touchscreen fans imo, but if it comes to support ( apps, games etc ) forget it...
so u have a ( maybe ) well designed ( matter of taste ) device, but a swiff-knife solution works fine imo, if u can get the most and best of it. se smartfones are everything, but not "smart" imo
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Posted: 2008-04-30 00:59:21
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Hi Masseur
Actuully sorry but your wrong your TyTN and even the soon to arrive mighty X1 are like 3/4 QWERTY's as my E90 has 57 keys plus 7 shortcut keys and a menu key as opposed to your 39 keys so is as close to a full QWERTY to be found on any mobile devcie.
@Boinng
As for the rest of your claims well sorry but as i have explained to you previously you may well be under the illusion that a Touchscreen is essential and beneficial. But as you are well aware the facts just don't support this supposition do they. As far more non Touch screen smart phones are sold and used than those that have it making it quite simply less popular and not what they majority think and use it just your preference but proves nothing to support your claim.
S60 severely crippled you are jesting the most popular and by far the best selling smart phone OS we re not talking about UIQ now.
Now you may well feel it's rubbish and that's your right and choice to make of course even if you are wrong as the facts show you.
As for really being silly and taking things way to literally for an supposed intelligent person you win that prize easily no contest.
Poor design lack of software and should of had touchscreen shows you really are just not in touch with reality. Maybe soon you may realise most of us choose not to have an inferior Touch screen and as for a lack of software support you really can't be serious.
Or have i suddenly missed the P1 and TyTN with there pseudo QWERTY keyboards suddenly getting,Flash Lite 3 Support in their browsers or VGA recording and replay have i not to mention Web Run Time Widgets.
Has the P1's screen improved from being
2.6 inch colour touchscreen
- 240x320 pixel
and has the TyTN2 improved it's
- Tilting 2.8" transflective TFT-LCD with backlight LEDs, touch-sensitive screen
- 240 x 320 QVGA resolution with 64K Colours
I don't know why but last time i checked a
4" 800x352 pixels 24-bit, 16,7 million colours screen is far superior.
As it requires far less scrolling when doing most tasks and offers much more detail when viewing any app.
Not of course forgetting being a non touch screen it has far greater clarity and visibility especially in bright lighting conditions.
Again sorry but a full QWERTY and nice big screen is no contest and i will take form over function every time no comprise needed as it just doesn't pay.
P1 106 x 55 x 17 mm - 124 g
TyTN 2 112MM(L) x 59 mm(W) x 19 mm(T) - 190 g
E90 132mm x 57mm x 20mm 210g
WOW the P1 is a light weight and only 26mm shorter whilst the TyTN is a whole 20mm shorter which is a fairly heavy price to pay for so much smaller screens and the TyTN2 is a whole 20g lighter so of course the E90 is really so much bigger isn't it. 20g and 26mm is well just so much. Especially when it seems the TyTN is actually wider and just 1mm thinner. Not of course forgetting the E90 can be used much more naturally as phone with no need to open it up but and with full access and a proper keypad for dialing that opens up with the same on the internal screen and no waiting for it to swap orientation as it already is.
Well at least the TyTN has a 3G/HSDPA and a fast processor all the things missing from the much lighter P1 and what a price to pay for a bit of weight and size saved.
Now you may not like it which is fine as you and nobody else has to but to deny what is the most powerful Symbian smart phone if not any smart phone with the largest screen is just a joke and not based in fact now is it.
It didn't take any persuasion at all and after trying an iPhone i couldn't wait to return to it as i just really can't stand Touch screen devices at all and am sure that will include the Touch S60 UI when it arrives just in case you want to suggest it's just because Nokia don't have any yet.
So to sum up if you like the E90 or not to deny it as one of the most powerful if not most powerful and well specified smart phones currently released is just without foundation isn't it. Unless of course you disagree with every major reviewer in the smart phone community. Really i expected more reasoned arguments from you than petty name calling sounds like the Green Eyed Monster got to you today.
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Posted: 2008-04-30 02:14:22
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@Dogmann
Your reasoning is sensible, but only to some extent.
Because of simple reasons:
1. None of the devices here can be considered as complete.
They all miss something. In this case, all is sh..t in compare to any laptop. But since we talk about compact size devices here, Boinng reasoning matters as well as yours.
2. If you like BOLD facts, I'd consider your touchscreen "hate" as something at least hilarious, since it's definately extremely convinient solution, and it seems you share something like a "trauma" here rather than any reasonable fact AGAINST it. You don't like it, that's fine, but it's a different thing than your call for reasonable discussion.
Still, touch screen is a future and now every manufacturer realized it's potential.
Sorry, but none of these "context" keys or "virtual mouse" will really replace the simplest and easiest one touch of the screen.
3. QWERTY of P1 and E90 are basically having 100% the same functionality, since they're operated by thumbs. These phones are too small to use them like a computer's keyboard.
4. It may be much less important, but P1 was about 30% cheaper than E90, what matters in overall comparison.
5. Because of the reasons above, I must say that until today the choice of the smartphone is still stongly connected to emotions, and these cannot be fully judged.
6. Users have their strong habits and IMO both (E90 and P1) are targeted to a bit different audience.
7. E90 is a super-duper office device, but does not support HTML in mail, what is quite strange IMO.....
8. Size and usability/beeing compact also matters in overall usage (advantage of P1).
Well, I use P990/UiQ and basically love it, but would never try to convince everybody that it's the best and only, for ALL......
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Posted: 2008-04-30 02:54:43
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@ boba, I must admit that there is not as much bloatware as for S60. There is sufficient amount of very good apps to make this phone "smartphone" even in it's basic version. I just cannot agree on the argument that UIQ doesn't have enough apps on the market nowdays. I can agree tho, to some extent, that it lacks atleast 100Mhz of processing power.
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Posted: 2008-04-30 03:28:49
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@kenoby there are certain sites, wich host apps for symbian and uiq... cant and wont make thoes here public, but trust me, symbian has 500 times more apps over there, then uiq. i check those sites every day, so my statemtne is based on my own experince
ps nice to see i am not the only sw fan here
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Posted: 2008-04-30 03:45:38
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