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You either follow your religion or not. You can't exclude what you don't think is correct, that would mean that you have no faith in your religion. It's one or the other. If you believe that a religion needs to be modernised then that means you do not believe in the religion and you see problems that have to be changed according to society.

Society has changed a lot, 20 years ago there would be no discussion about this at all but time goes on. I'm sure that people look down on this abortion issue but society has moved on and everyone is having sex, even kids that are 14 get pregnant. That is one way in which society had become bad.

I have no issue with gay people, I'm sure that it can be tough emotionally and mentally for those who are confused. Perfect example is from my uni days. One guy became gay after experimenting, few bad girlfriends etc. He was happy whenever I spoke to him, he is a nice guy and I have nothing against him. Another guy was attracted to men after looking at gay porn but he felt bad about it because he wanted kids. He stopped himself and managed to hold back his urges. He is now happily married to a woman and has kids, he is over the moon and says that he is glad to be straight.

I can't comment too much because I am not gay but I follow my religion and would not endorse it due to logic and also that I believe that my religion is still relevent and correct, 1400 years from it being revealed. Sometimes you can't follow your feelings and urges, you have to be logical regardless of what society is doing.

Some couples who cannot have kids really struggle through life, it rips them up from inside (this is what I mean by logic). I am certain that homosexual couples feel the same but then adopting becomes complex because of how the child may feel. If they accept then great but if not, it becomes a big psychological issue for the parents as well.

That's my honest opinion, I have respect for all men and women since they are God's creation so He is the judge of all of us. I would not discriminate against anybody based on such complex issues.
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Posted: 2008-05-22 01:38:08
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@badassman, I must say I agree with you, which may come as surprising since I'm a Satanist. However you have summed it up with the statement about people essentially taking what they like out of their book and claiming that the rest is redundant because "times change". That has got to be the biggest crock I have ever heard. Its like some people I know that call themselves Muslim yet got out drinking etc more often than I do. If you are going to claim the title of a religon you could at least have decency to follow all the rules.

With that said I do not have a big problem with people who are just good people, they follow the basic rules and dont cause any one any harm. You will also notice that these people tend not to discriminate against creed, race, religon or sexual prefrence.
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Posted: 2008-05-22 08:25:14
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Did anyone hear the Pope recently changed some of the commandments for the 21st century so even he is moving with the times. Some people are so out of touch they want to live back in the stone age. Those people with distorted views of their religion thankfully are a minority.
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Posted: 2008-05-22 10:10:00
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Bonovox

If Jesus was here today, do you think that he would have to change his beliefs to become more mainstream? He and other prophets had a set of values and examples from their time which are to lead as an example to others. If everyone was like Jesus and the other prophets, there would be no need for heaven.

Do you follow the Pope or the teachings by Jesus? If you look deep into your beliefs, you will realise that actually there is no need for modernisation. If everyone were to stick to their religion by word, the world would be perfect. No wars, no violence, no conflict.
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Posted: 2008-05-22 12:58:24
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and this is why i love the church of england lol.... the vicars and ministers let u make ur own mind up in regards to how u live your life and how u treat other people....

There are many people, some in my church, who follow the bible to every word and that is their choice. As a young christian i understand that if i was to follow the bible word by word then i would certainly b outkast in the general public for my views... that is why i am more open to sexuality and the like.

Religion is what you decide it is to you and yourself.
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Posted: 2008-05-22 14:33:15
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As most likely one of the only gay people on this forum, all I will say is this.


Religion. Designed to bring people together but 99% of the time it blows people apart. It starts wars, it brings hatred between groups of people, and does the exact opposite of it's intention. In short, use your OWN brain, your OWN thoughts and make your OWN mind up, not follow a list of rules to govern you life as dictated by a fictious character.


And thats my 2 pence
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Posted: 2008-05-22 15:49:54
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Rubbish. Their is a big mis understanding between religion and war. IMO opinion, if there was no religion, the human race would have been wiped out years ago. Religion has brought wars, but it has kept a balance.

If there was no such thing as religion, people would have killed and done what ever they wan't causing corruption and death, because they would have nothing to worry about in the future. This is why it has brought a balance.

With religion people have had second thoughts and restrained themselves from commiting these acts.

Obviously we have had genocides and wars, but my point is, it would be a hell of a lot more with out religion.



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Posted: 2008-05-22 18:36:51
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Nu uh, sorry, I don't buy that.

If two countries are in the middle of a war, I doubt very much that 'religion' is going to stop anyone. The differences people have between two religions can cause it, but stopping it? If they knew it was wrong they wouldn't have done it in the first place, and if their religion 'commanded' that they don't do it, then they wouldn't have done it in the first place.

My opinion though, not saying it's fact or anything.
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Posted: 2008-05-22 18:48:39
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No problem, every one has an opinion and ours differ.

However, look at it this way. Mohammad Ali, did not go to the Vietnam war, because he stood by his religion.

"If two countries are in the middle of a war, I doubt very much that 'religion' is going to stop anyone"

Imo I think in history many people have used religion as an excuse to fight for land and respect for their people. Just look at the ancient times and medieval times, people wen't round conquring the world, were all of these based on religion?

Two religions may fight but history has proved they can live in peace. Just look at the crusades (I can't remember which one) the Muslims came and saved the Christians in Spain (I think Spain) and lived in peace together.


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Posted: 2008-05-22 18:55:20
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The religion doesn't cause war, that implies that my religion dissed your religion so lets go to war. War is over land and resources. Even Isreal is to do with resources and disrupting the countries in the Middle East. It is all tactical with regards to import, export, dividing countries that would normally be allied. If the Middle East were allied, it would be the daddy because of their wealth. War on terror is war for oil, nothing to do with religion.

With regards to religion demanding war think of it like this, you rent out one room of your house to me and I then decide that I'll put you in that room and take control of your house. I have a gun as well, I make the rules about who uses the kitchen and bathroom etc. One day I say you can't use the kitchen therefore you starve, you get my point. You have every right to fight for your house and your religion will back this up because this is an injustice. If the Police and courts don't help you, your only choice is violence to get back your house and save your family. This is pretty much the problem in Palestine. Isreal is strategically very important for the USA.
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Posted: 2008-05-22 21:33:06
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