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l had both the 7650 and now the P800 and the comparison of this phones are imposible due to the tuch screen of the P800 the imput metod is just so much quicker its almoust like a drug once u try it thers no way ull go back to any phone witch doesent have a tuchscreen its just that damn good belive me :)
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Posted: 2003-03-16 20:17:00
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And is it that good in browsing the internet??
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Posted: 2003-03-16 22:54:00
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Oh my g-d! Where to start??
First of all, all power to Coramoor and Psikey. Some sanity still exists in this madness. Can't be arsed to do the whole '@' thing as this thread is already too long with P800/SE/mobile industry bashers.
The P800 can't be judged on the same basis as virtually any other handset to date, except possibly the 7650, which it creams hands down. Whichever idiot said it functions as neither phone nor PDA should find a nokia 2110, some papyrus and a quill.
This is the future, whether you like it or not. Anyone seen a 3G phone yet?! It's a PDA OS with a phone attached. If that's not your thing, don't buy it. It doesn't have SMS delivery reports or T9, so if your life depends on text messages, don't buy it. It doesn't have profiles, so if you can't switch silent on and off and turn the volume down by yourself, don't buy it. It also doesn't support Line 2 on Orange in the UK, the biggest problem in my opinion, but I still bought it.
But hell, look at what is does do! The most advanced and feature-packed spec on the market now or any time soon.
My point, if you're starting to think I don't have one(!), is that the P800 is not for everybody, but that doesn't mean it's not the best thing since sliced bread. As has already been said, FW upgrades and the development of applications for this OS will probably solve all the aforementioned issues anyway, but sod, this bunch of whingers will always find something to complain about!
Flame all you like, I'm out
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Posted: 2003-03-16 23:11:00
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well said!
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Posted: 2003-03-16 23:24:00
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someone mentionned that the software upgrades were a hassle.. well dude, simply said.. what OS do u run on ur computer? most likely Windows.. how many times a month do u need to get bug fixes?
same thing..
I wasnt too sure about what I was getting myself into when I bought my P8...
I mean, I joined here 3 days before buying it.. and before joinin Esato, I was a Nokia dude.. and I still hv a soft spot for it..
Nokias dont need the upgrades or fixes becuz they r simple..
but even Nokia is headed towards the P8..
basically the specs r there, whenever buying a phone, u shld do ur research.. Profiles..
I never used a single profile all my life.. I wld personnalise one.. and on a nokia, I'd use the silent one for the side..
but all those other ones like "meeting", "car", "outdoor"
the hell dude? I just need 2 modes: I can hear the bloody thing ring, and I wanted it shut it's yapper..
I consider the Nokia Silent profile the equivalent of the Silent button on a SE.. not as a diff profile..
u obviously didnt do ur research before buying this phone.. u just bought it cuz it was the in thing to do...
ppl who do that r usually not phone savvy..
y buy a phone that has features u dont need? I personally use 90% of the features the P800 has.. but the SX1 fits more my needs, that is y I will be switching...
half the ppl I know that hv color screens bought it cuz they thought it was cool.. all they use their phone is to receive and make calls and their phones r mostly on silent
y bother with a phone that has polys, color screen, BT and what not if u dont even use it?
just to look cool and say it can do dat? well man, not many ppl care what ur phone can do and most will even mock u for hving a phone that has more functions than their lives...
so if u wanna return it, be my guest.. but research the T610 before buying it..
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Posted: 2003-03-16 23:48:00
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wow.. i never thought a topic thread i started would create so much controversy.. Listen guys, i'm not dissing the phone itself. I for one waited 8 months for it... moaned at anyone who would listen to me when its release date was put back further and further.. i wanted a P800 more than anything... i was just crushed when i got it and found that S/E had scrimped on some of the most basic features that are one older models. I take great exception at S/E marketing when they state "with Multi tap and handwriting recognition, people have more than enough methods to enter text" - BOLLOX! they just didn't want to pay the licence fee to use T9..
I'm not blaming anyone for this.. i knew before i bought it that it wouldn't have T9 and nervously went ahead anyway. Those of you who tell me that you don't need profiles, delivery reports and the ability to write fast sms with T9 - fine.. that works for you.. we are all different. I send over 850 sms a month an i'm usually either walking, in a boring meeting, driving or other persuits where i can't look down at my screen. with ONE HAND, i could fire out all these messages per month. this is now impossible - end of argument! but as you rightly point out - my problem.
As for this barrage of "oh but the holy grail of firmware updates is just around the corner"... are you real? do you work for microsoft? has a decision been taken high up at S/E along the lines of "oh just throw the phone onto the market now, we can't waste any more time, just promuise all the bugs will be fixed in the 423 firmware updates we'll drip feed the poor saps over the next million years"... HELLO? has bill gates taken over production?
It riles me to think that S/E do this when i have to admit that Nokia never have this problem.. I mean it took almost 18 months to get my original T68 upgraded via 5.. yes 5 firmware updates to be the phone i trully wanted it to be... In 18 months from now i could have a fully feature Z1010 3G unit.
anyway... i'm rambling and just sounding off coz i'm annoyed at myself. the net result is, i WANT T9, I WANT delivery reports, i WANT profiles and i don't want to wait forever to get them, after all i'm not asking for new concepts or code here, its all stuff they had in previous, cheaper & older phones.. its just penny pinching totally uncesseary..
I'm glad that most of yu are happy with it.. If i'd just upgraded from my PF768 to this I'd be delighted too!
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Posted: 2003-03-17 00:20:00
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Actually, there is one holy grail of firmware update just around the corner, namely in April when a major
release is planed. If that is too long time to wait for you, then just move along and hope you find the phone of your dreams.
And yes, companies tend to release their products before they are completed because that could give them a competitive advantage. Just look at Palm
TT for instance. It was definitly not bug free when it come out. Customers tend to be more forgiving
with bugs they know will be fiexed later than phones being released to late. Think this thread is a proof of that.
For that reason, I my self usually waits 6-12 month from release date before I by a new product since I know they are buggy and it takes approxemately that amount of time to fix most of the problems.
Good luck in your search for the holy phone
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Posted: 2003-03-17 03:51:00
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@Coramoor
I usually read your posts and nod in agreement, but this one is an exception..
"Why not drive around in a vw beetle?
Now that's a car with few flaws... "
1. Because itīs an antique uncomfortable bugger
And do you know why nothing goes wrong on this car?
Because there's nothing that can go wrong!
It doesn't even have inside heaters. Basically you'll freeze on your way to work in a rather uncomfortable way. But hey!
It works!
Yes, that was the entire point and thought behind it..
I can't stand it when people say that old phones are best. They aren't!
IM not saying old phones are best, iīm saying that they sacrifice reliability nowadays just to push new models out. And that itīs a bad thing
They suck. They have one virtue.. simplicity. And with simplicity comes unusability. Except for those people who sees there phone as something to "call and write sms".
I don't know what you guys are doing buying p800.
Go back to those old nokia 5110s and start using dos instead of windows again.
Youīre missing the (my) point by a mile.. when i buy something i expect it to work, and work NOW. Would you buy a microwave oven that only worked on 350w setting but maybe next month there will come a patch/update that will enable the full effect setting..
Iīd think not? I am sure i wouldnt anyway. Nor would i buy (or rather accept) a Mercedes with any functions not working properly.
I am not dissing the P800 as such. I donīt like swiss army knives or phones, but thatīs me. Iīm talking about the whole industry! And no, i donīt defend Microsoft.. or any other OS because thatīs pretty much the same.
I really believe that you CAN have both features AND reliability BUT i think itīs a f**g disgrace to use customers as beta testers and that is regardless of whether itīs Windows XP MacOSX or SE P800.
Respect!
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Posted: 2003-03-17 09:57:00
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Interesting debate :-) Surely the P800 is controversial. It is indeed hard to accept why useful and easy-to-implement features are omitted (like SMS delivery report).
Just two points that are especially dubious IMHO:
> software upgrades will fix all the problems, most of them in the next release
I guess this is just an expectation. Is there any solid data about what the next firmware upgrade(s) will contain? Or we just pray? Remember the non-selectable SMS notification sound problem of the T68 - it has never been solved by SE...
> with so many programmers out there, someone has to write a profile program sooner or later
Third-party program development is severely hampered by the fact that there is no cheap/free development tool for the C++ language. Other languages (Java, Visual Basic) are not suitable for accessing all the phone features that are necessary to write truly versatile system-level applications.
These problems could be solved... but will they be?
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Posted: 2003-03-17 16:37:00
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Not that i know diddley-squat about programming but i know they use Dev C++ at University where i work, have a look here
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http://www.bloodshed.net/
Btw, iīm not pissed at any particular phone or manufacturer, just at the fact that they all release models that must have fallen from the drawing board down in shipping box.. and as long as the buyers donīt put the foot down and bring them the clear message "give us phones that work when released or start making corkscrews or whatever" we will have the situation where we all suffer from bad functionality, and meekly and gratefully await one fw-update after another.
*All the while chanting SE rules, SE rules*
Ok, forget the last sentence, that was rude and totally uncalled for
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Posted: 2003-03-17 20:44:00
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