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Krubach Posts: > 500

I also have bought items from Brando on-line shop. And i noticed that when you enter your credit card number you've already been redirected to a payment service page (in this case WorldPay). So Brando never gets to see the card number. WorldPay just redirects you again to brando online shop and tells them "OK! We got the US$ nn you asked for, and the trasaction was OK".

I know this, cause as a Web Developer I already probed this kind of "OnLine Payment solutions", in my case i worked around Verisign services.

So in my opinion, this is just coincidence. I'm sure Wollie uses his card for payment about 10 times a week, so it could happen to copy his card number anytime.
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Posted: 2003-05-07 21:54:00
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ZuluWarrior Posts: 46

i work for a large electrical retailer in the uk (probally the largest, but i get ridiculed for saying which due to bad customer service!!)

since joining the internet team of my company, i have encountered numberous ways of credit card fraud on the web.

theres so many ways in which people can get your card details its scary! we have a 128bit encryption security code on our site, n all card details can only be accessed via a secure logon at the head office, and 'touch wood' our site has not been hacked since of launch.
if brando is as big as people make out you have probs ordering from them, n their site will be as secure of not more than ours, so people, yes be careful when ordering on the net, but theres no need to be over cautious and not order over the web.

no matter how you use credit cards, theres always gonna be the possibilty of fraudulant transactions some way or another.
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Posted: 2003-05-07 22:01:00
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Eleventy7 Posts: > 500

rikardherminge: sounds like a damn good idea m8, wish HSBC or Egg would take up that idea

most of the rest of u: stop slagging Woollie off with your unfounded crap, he's not telling anyone to stop trading from Brando or even that Brando has a problem, read his posts properly u arses
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Posted: 2003-05-07 22:27:00
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dave_uk Posts: > 500

@Woollie

Good on you for having the consideration to think of us at Esato and alert us to the potential problems..... whether they turned out to be founded or not. We are all big enough, I think, to use our own better judgment and do not need to be told what information we should or should not have, like in the 'bidz' nanny state!

@bidz

You're just a moron, looking for an argument with anyone. Rather like the unswattable fly!
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Posted: 2003-05-07 22:39:00
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Jim Posts: > 500

Don't get it wrong my post was just only a way to help you to find who's responsible ...
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Posted: 2003-05-07 22:49:00
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hippo Posts: 111

Cahoot (Abbey National's online bank) have a virtual card service in the UK a bit like the Swedish one described above. I think they issue a number for each transaction.
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Posted: 2003-05-08 02:53:00
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Nick Young Posts: 11

I used to work for the fraud department of a large credit card company, so I'm well used to the different methods used to obtain & subsequently use credit card numbers fraudulently.

Woolie mentioned that the last time this particular card was used in a shop was over a year ago, which makes it unlikely (though not impossible) that this was the source of the details going astray. I've seen fraudulent transactions on credit cards that have been cancelled for over a year though!

IN GENERAL if your card is physically stolen it will be used very quickly so that the thief can get as much use out of it before it's been cancelled, but if someone obtains the card details they will wait a bit to make it harder to track down the source of the fraud. As I said before, this is IN GENERAL.

Woolie's recent transaction would see to be the obvious source of the details going missing, but let me make sure I emphasise the TRANSACTION, not necessarily any of the companies that have been mentioned or their employees. There are many links within the transaction process & therefore many possible sources of a weak link.

I think I'll stop waffling now before people get bored, I see to be getting of the point of the forum

One final point though, your credit card details are far more likely to go astray at a garage/restaurant etc than over the internet. Also, on a transaction where the card is not present (such as an internet transaction), the onus is on the merchant rather than the consumer to make sure the details are genuine. The credit card company will usually either claim the money back from the merchant or take the loss themselves. The consumer rarely loses out.
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Posted: 2003-05-08 03:15:00
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pdjenns Posts: 12

I don't see the problem... use a decent credit card and if it is used fraudulently then the cc company pay!

Just keep an eye on your statements.
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Posted: 2003-05-08 10:25:00
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rikardherminge Posts: 18

Here in our bank, we only investigate fraud that's done within about 60 days (90 at the most). So, it's quite important to check the statements.
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Posted: 2003-05-08 10:53:00
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