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I have to agree with you guys. I've worked for nearly 10 years in the mobile industry (mostly in the mobile PC and PDA OEMs doing new product definition) and not once have I found any proof for anything such as this.
Just hink: If this thing did work, I can guarantee that every single phone, PDA and mobile PC vendor would be attaching them to their batteries already, assuming that the battery vendors hadn't already plastered their products with them.
This is a scam product... Keep away.
Loa
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Posted: 2003-08-25 00:07:37
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If this is a scam, it won't be a patent pending product in Japan. Let's jjust face it guys, new stuff are invented everyday. If you can figure out how this thing works first before anyone else, you'll probably be the patent owner instead of some Japanese.
It's been mentioned in quite a number of forums that this thing works. I'm using it myself on my phone and it works for me. The fact is that there'll always be new things round the corner, some times inconceivable to our minds at the present moment but 10 years later, it seems so common.
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Posted: 2003-08-25 04:43:35
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On 2003-08-25 04:43:35, edX wrote:
If this is a scam, it won't be a patent pending product in Japan. Let's jjust face it guys, new stuff are invented everyday. If you can figure out how this thing works first before anyone else, you'll probably be the patent owner instead of some Japanese.
I don't think that you understand how the patent process works. Many things get patented that are just plain wrong, and many more get filed. Pending means very little.
I don't see how this could work, but I'm willing to listen to user's experiences.
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Posted: 2003-08-25 18:50:06
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I have to admit it does seem a bit Dr Whoish, take one sheet of shiny paper (or whatever) and wrap it around your battery, and by some magical property of the material your battery croaks on for up to 30% longer.
Having said that, why not? Perhaps some of the people who have actually bought this thing could conduct an experiment. Try your phone without it and measure battery life over a given period of time. Then use the product, maiking sure you keep the conditions the same (i.e. length of experiment, and using the same applications for the same length of time).
It should be pretty obvious from that, whether or not there is a placebo effect at work here.
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Posted: 2003-08-25 20:54:45
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so many people claiming it does work not one owner of this product has said it does not work. Should we take this in to account???
Majority of p800 users have at least above average knowledge of how things work so i would like to suggest this is not the placebo effect. As it is being used by clever p800 users.
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Posted: 2003-08-25 22:16:29
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Elementary physics teaches that energy can't come from nowhere. As a matter of fact, that battery extender would have to be radioactive to be able to have any effect whatsover. Since there is no nuclear or chemical breakdown in the material the battery extender is made of and it's not in any way connected directly to the battery - it can not possibly release energy.
Before anybody tries to bring magnets into this, a magnet at rest does not produce energy. The magnet has to be in motion in order to generate electric current.
...so, I see absolutely no way how that magical battery extender can possibly work. Even if it does increase the battery life, this effect can not be perminent, and the extra's you get today you will pay for tommorow.
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As for this "Cavity radiation energy" it's supposed to generate... - there is no such thing. Think about it - if cavities could generate energy, all out teeth would have melted by now
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Posted: 2003-08-25 23:21:14
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Well, my P800 has been on all day, 30 mins of calls, bluetooth on, check for email via GPRS every 15 mins, browsing BBC page for minimum 30 mins, general agenda work and more & my battery says I have 84% left...damn good if you ask me...thanks battery extender!!l
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Posted: 2003-08-26 01:00:00
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@wrath, I remain a sceptic too, however I think the focus is on efficiency rather than a new source of energy.
The source of power is the battery - if there's a way to make it more efficient, then it will last longer.
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Posted: 2003-08-26 01:21:15
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Let's see if I can remember this correctly the properties of a battery that I've learnt in science lessons as a kid many, many years back.
Basically a battery is made up of a chemical compound with a cathode and an anode in it. Power is generated by chemical reactions in this chemical compound and positive and negative ions are generated, giving you the positive and negative poles of your battery. As with all chemical reactions, there'll be a by-product and residue (example 2 parts hydrogen plus 1 part oxygen gives you h2o, the by-product and some residue due to the fact that you cannot get a "clean" chemical reaction). So I supposed the slougs mentioned in Power Extender is the residue of the chemical reactions in the battery and power (positive and negative ions) is the by-product.
So the Power Extender is supposed to dissolve the slougs (residue from chemical reactions in producing power) and improves the flow of ions in the battery thus extending the battery life.
How's my theory of how it works?
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Posted: 2003-08-26 02:56:57
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Wrath this isn't meant as a dig at you! I thought I'd say that before going on.
Although basic physics does indeed say that energy cannot come from 'nowhere' this very scenario can actually happen. It has been demonstrated on a number of occassions and requires no more than two highly polished metal sheets. As yet there is no satisfactory explanation of this effect.
The battery extender could be composed of a material with highly polarised covalent bonds, which would allow it to have an effect on the ions in the battery. Without knowing more about the material its difficult for anyone to make an informed opinion on it.
Sorry for the science lesson everyone! Oh and before the inevitable questioning of my authority on such matters, I spent some time studying astrophysics amongst other things at uni.
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Posted: 2003-08-26 04:48:14
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