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Yeap, we have those too (lately). Some friends from down under tell me that the cops there use the same techniques as here - the bastards position their speed cameras where they KNOW you'll be speeding, e.g. at the top or base of a hill. Is that true? Cause that will make the bloody cops universal bastards! This message was posted from a T310
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Posted: 2003-12-19 08:04:12
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@massuer: i have seen photos of them in those green wheely bins with a square cut out of one side for the lens, so as you approach they look like a regular household bin. they've been around (although not common) for the past 12 months or so. i thought i'd saved one of the photos but i can't find it now.

@judge: i think technically the police are supposed to allow a minimum distance from the base of a hill to allow you to brake for the gravity assisted acceleration, but i've never heard of it being tested. they are also supposed to allow a minimum distance for changing speed zones.

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[ This Message was edited by: gelfen on 2003-12-19 07:09 ]
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Posted: 2003-12-19 08:05:04
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pachy, no I was utterly surprised at gelfens comment about cameras in bins, is that just a melbourne thing 'coz I haven't lived in melbourne for a few years but definitly haven't heard of them in Sydney

cams in vans I can believe quite easily thout in west sussex where we are currently staying it doesn't seem that bad
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Posted: 2003-12-19 08:07:17
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@Judge, most of the UK static camera's are on downhill sections wher the speed limit is stepping down, so even with cruiise control "ON" the vehicle can overun & NON of these cameras are at bad accident spots, i think thats almost as thieving as our fuel prices Diesel is;
ROL 43244 per Litre.
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Posted: 2003-12-19 08:13:41
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pachy, you think thats bad... I have driven a few times from Sydney to Melbourne (or back) and its the most monotonous drive and with the speed limit at 110 it takes just over 9 hours, although its prob quicker these days as they add more freeway to the route bypassing silly little towns where cops used to congregate 10 at a time to catch the speeders.

Anyway, I prefer to drive the route at night to avoid as much traffic as possible but I can tell you that sometimes I may not have seen another car for 20 minutes but you can bet if I speed there will be a cop car hiding in the bush waiting with a speed gun!

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[ This Message was edited by: masseur on 2003-12-19 07:23 ]
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Posted: 2003-12-19 08:20:39
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i believe the use of the bins requires council permission, since the police actually have to obtain one and all household bins are marked as to which council they belong to. since the revenue from the fines goes to state governments rather than the councils, i don't suppose the cops have a lot of luck. and yes, i do believe it is a melbourne thing but i wouldn't be surprised if it caught on elsewhere.

the problem is that the state govt's are beginning to realise how much money they can make out of speeding fines, and so they are tightening the screws, and it's a virtually unassailable position from a moral perspective. they have also been throwing more money at it (spending money to make money), resulting in a rapid improvement in speed camera technology and providing the police with a lot of unmarked high-performance cars to disguise what they are doing.

there has been a long-running discussion about it through the various motoring bodies and websites (carpoint has been running a particularly good one) regarding the real benefits or otherwise of tightening speed tolerance. there is a growing body of opinion that state govt's are purely into revenue raising. when the Victorian Gov't announced the annual budget this year there was a factor for over AU $300 million in speeding fines alone.

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[ This Message was edited by: gelfen on 2003-12-19 07:23 ]
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Posted: 2003-12-19 08:21:52
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Oh, hell, that's steep!!! Here we pay around GBP 0.45 per liter. And you guys are right, even here they consider fines as budgetary revenues so they have a PLAN for how much they need to fine in order to meet the expectations. Imagine the abuse! This generates more business for me, actually... But that's another issue. This message was posted from a T310
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Posted: 2003-12-19 08:29:29
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nice find

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Posted: 2003-12-19 09:43:35
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I think that the gov'mnt and police abuse the speed limit term as this its mainly purpose is to make u slow down not creating extra $ on budget. But here in romania u can escape paying it later(i have unpaid tickets from 1999:-D ). Of course,i'll pay an extra 50% in 2005 maybe but hell,isnt it worth it?:-)) Thats cuz the data isnt centralised properly but they'll fix it someday. But until then,i wont pay :D This message was posted from a T610
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Posted: 2003-12-19 11:27:54
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It'll really come to a head next year with the introduction of 40km/h school zones. Break it there and lose your license on matter what speed you do. This message was posted from a Z600
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Posted: 2003-12-19 13:28:52
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