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Actually...I am thinking of gettin a Mac but I dont think I will get one because it's so incompatiable with other stuff
What is it incompatible with? I've been using Mac OS X, since OS 10 went public, and I'd never personally choose to buy or run Windows again...
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Posted: 2004-02-03 20:05:53
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Well look, it's down to personal preference. If you are unsure what you would prefer then try both out, and go for the one you can use best, which best suits your needs and best has the best programs available for your needs. That is my opinion.
But to buy a PC/mac based on the looks of the box it's contained in seems a little silly...
Anyway, go into a shop that sells both and try them out. I'm sure you will be able to make up your mind either way, oh and you could allways try linux??
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Posted: 2004-02-03 23:08:29
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Judging by your li'l picture on the right of your name, dazbradbury, you have a p900. Why did you buy that when you could have had a cheaper p800 which very little difference in performance?
I would say the vast majority of electronic products are based on looks with the innards considered second. A perfect example is the aforementioned p900, if looks didnt matter then why bother altering the p800s design less than a year after launch? or three revisions of an iPod with near-identical internal bits every time?
good call on choosing whats best for you though, seems most people are too easily swayed by hype or idle chat in forums.
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Posted: 2004-02-04 00:13:37
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@meat:
There is QUITE a bit more to the P800 --> P900 shift than "looks" or "a new casing". Any one of about 20 threads and 20 reviews will tell you that.
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Posted: 2004-02-04 00:25:23
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I think the looks of the P800 were altered to add a look which is considered more business like, perhaps even more sophisticated...
I must admit that out of the pictures I had seen of the p8 and 900's, the p800 won, but seeing the thing in real life completely swayed me the other way...Sometimes, if you spend around £400-500 on something, it mustn't look like the chief designers of fisher price were responsible for its sorryd appearances... and whilst the insides may be nigh on identical, they both behave in completely different ways... this may go a long way in explaining the radical change of design...
And I must also add that I think the style statement of Macs are overplayed... they look nice, I admit, but a friend of mine has one of those new fangled flat screen on a metal arm type mac things, and it really is quite a behemoth with an off white bottom... It may be fear of what I don't kow as well though, but the fact that there is no floppy drive along with a seemingly useless 1 button mouse adds a downside (see, hardware can be as important as looks)... and she has had many a sleepless night buying things for it due to the refusal of well known stores to offer sound advice on the compatibility of peripherals (not that there are none of course, just that no-one will risk saying that something will work)
I have seen many better looking pc cases (alienwares laptop, although a little large, and tower cases are lovely in real life, and have more clout and desire factor in my opinion), and if you get a bit bored, you can always change the look of your tower to match the decor
...and whoever said that the looks of a laptop may be important... well that depends on what you want it for, but the better looking ones are usually weak performers (apart from the aforementioend alienware), so there is always a hefty comprimise...
(Dislcaimer: the above represent My personal opinions, thus, with this being a forum an' all, as such and due to it's nature, the said opinions may differ between viewers:-)
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Posted: 2004-02-04 00:40:33
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@Rashkae
weeeeel, im not sure i meant that. I agree what an improvment the P900 is but im not sure it merits a total, and costly, hardware redesign from scratch.
SE made a small internal/software change (in relative terms) and a huge hardware design change. This seems a li'l out of proportion and thats why i think that design is most important to a product.
Otherwise, why didnt they just update the componenty bits, keep the design the same and stick a "version 2" on the end of its name?
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Posted: 2004-02-04 01:28:58
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Actually, aside from the screen and the electric flip, there isn't very much of a hardware change. The software underwent about 100 small improvements that make more of a difference, imho.
If SE would release a version of the P900 software that could be flashed onto the P800, then the "there's little difference between the P800 and P900" argument would hold much more weight. But, as it is, they did the correct thing for their company: kept them as related, yet distinct products.
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Posted: 2004-02-04 03:21:25
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Rashkae...
Would the P800 not require a larger rom for the new uiq though? Which means that simple availablilty of the P900 "software" is not an issue, although this could have been SE's way of ensuring the P800 would always remain different with both a vital hardware and software difference...
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Posted: 2004-02-04 03:36:44
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Yes, it would require a larger ROM. I do believe that the P900 OS could be trimmed down to give the P800 a lot of the benefits like video recording, a proper MP3 player and the neat UI improvements in open-flip sms composing, etc. Many aspects would not be transferable, but a lot of those small things would be doable.
But why on earth SE would WANT to do that is the big question.
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Posted: 2004-02-04 04:01:12
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Ok, well to answer a few questions...
I had had my p800 for a year, and yet my orginial intention was to definately NOT upgrade to the p900, I did seem it as pointless. But, when you can buy a p900, then sell your p800 for more and thus make a profit and get a better phone, why wouldn't you?! But it didn't have much to do with looks...
And about laptop's, well, if youre getting a laptop your loosing out on performance anyway over a PC for the same money. So if I got one it would have to be light, and something special. That new toshiba 17" really stands out, it's got high performance, looks good, but is v. expensive and relatively happy.
Anyway, I think the p800 ---> p900 upgrade is a weird discussion as have SE released new firmware for the p800 since the p900 was released? I dont think the rom is the right size, but i do agree that a cut down version could be produced. To be honest, i think they've stopped making them now, so once they're all sold, well alot of them are, then they may as well do it to make customers happy. And I doubt people would buy a p8 over a p9 anyway. But it's something that SE don't have to do, and you can't expect them to. Plus the screen on the p900 alone is worth upgrading for!
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Posted: 2004-02-04 10:15:03
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