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I know this Esato forum is very much biased to (Sony)Ericsson phones but this thread is so ridiculous I can't be commenting.
@Clearday's first message
Haven't you understood so far that this is exactly Nokias strategy. They have a few platforms and they develop all their phones within these platforms. These platforms are Series30, S40, S60 and S80. But saying Nokia only has four different phones is really dismissive thinking. Yes sometimes they make exactly same phones and only change covers (7610/6670) but even then they sell these phones to different users. And most often they differs quite a lot in features even when the phones belongs to a same platform. (2650 and 6230 both pretty new Series 40 phones.)
But if you still want to say that these are only minor changes and still Nokia has only four different type phones then I can say that SE has only two different phones. The SE proprietary platform phones (from J200 to S700) and then the UIQ-Symbian platform. (I know there is different screen resolutions and different features in SE proprietary, but so does Series 40 has; screens from 64x96 to 160x128 etc.
But what is good in a platform then? It's the common specifications and tools for software developers so that they can make good and useful software for it!
I admit there isn’t a perfect phone in Nokia phones (and probably there won’t ever be) but that’s also the case in SE phones!
@coolfighter
If the Menu is all you care about then you better not speak about Symbian or anything technical!
Saying things like:
“Nokia are building the devices and design them but the software is Symbian so where the hell is the good in that , anyone can build an awesome device and use symbian”
Shows that you don’t know a thing about the technology behind these devices.
As said earlier Symbian is the OS (operating system) between the UI (user interface) and HW (hardware). Symbian is developed pretty independently to meet shareholders specifications. And the biggest shareholder is Nokia, so it is also responsible for developing Symbian.
But you don’t have any use for OS only, you need UI to get it work. And there is at least as big work to be done as developing the OS. And Series60 is totally Nokias own developing. So it is “Nokia menu” nothing else!
And I can admit the other Series60 licensees have had very similar phones so far, but is it bad? These phones have been the best smartphones and their specifications are pretty high. And Series60 is developing faster now! They are already using Symbian 8, screen resolutions are high in the sky now with 640x320 max etc. So licensees can have a big variety of devices based on Series60 in the future!
And the most important advance in having one common platform across the manufacturers is the really wide array of software. Think for example about Siemens. If they want to fulfil your need having “Siemens menu” in their smartphone. They need to develop their own platform based on Symbian or Linux or whatever they choose. And they have 0 (zero) 3rd party software for it in the beginning. Is it anyhow tempting? I’d say no!
[ This Message was edited by: traktori2004 on 2004-11-09 08:19 ]
[ This Message was edited by: traktori2004 on 2004-11-09 08:23 ]
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Posted: 2004-11-09 09:18:17
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Anyway I'd say for 95 percent of nokia models that first 3 digits means price, and 4th digit is mark of quality.
This message was posted from a T610
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Posted: 2004-11-09 09:56:34
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Posted: 2004-11-09 11:46:50
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On 2004-11-09 11:46:50, Clearday posted a nice image:
What is your picture for?
I admitted Nokia has made these "cover-changes" and probably will make also in future. And there is many others: 7210/6610, 7270/6170 8310/6510 etc.
But at this unveiling-rate how this is affecting your life? If Nokia unveils 30 models for GSM/WCDMA networks a year, and half of it are "cover-changes" it still is 15 new phones in a year. That's something like 2-3 times more than SE!
And isn't it nice to have choises?
When there is a platform with many devices and a huge user-base there will also be a lot of software for it. And then you can choose your phone from many phones according to your needs and wallet. You don't need to choose the one and only choice the manufacturer offers!
[ This Message was edited by: traktori2004 on 2004-11-09 11:02 ]
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Posted: 2004-11-09 12:00:51
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On 2004-11-08 16:16:49, coolfighter wrote:
well the thing guys ur not noticing
that SONY ERICSSON is telling u that they are not giving up on there Menu and software by replacing all there phones with symbian
so they telling u they are good and strong and can be the latest
but Nokia this is what they do
see for ur self
they giving up on all models from there menu and software by replacing symbian
so u should notice that NOKIA MENU is over and over and finish ....
so u guys are buying Symbian
not Nokia
Nokia are building the devices and design them
but the software is Symbian
so where the hell is the good in that , anyone can build an awsome device and use symbian
see for an example - siemens - samsung - panasonic - Nokia
anyone
so no more different from them
only the name and style
but menu of Nokia symbian same as Siemens and Samsung
symbian
so where the hell is different
Cheers..........
http://www.coolfighter.com
[ This Message was edited by: coolfighter on 2004-11-08 15:23 ]
i dont understand why its a bad thing to use symbian? its better then the old nokia softaware in everyway
and if everyone used symbian it would be alot better, there would be ALOT of apps avalible and they would work on every phone running symbian and also it would be alot easier to choose a phone. you would only haveto pick the phone which has the looks/hardware that you want
and wtf is this crap about only using vga cams? last time i checked my 7610 had a 1mp cam???
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Posted: 2004-11-10 08:38:40
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for me, symbian os is not fashionable,elegant...SE s os s more attractive,more friendly used but of course is not enough for improving than symbian,any one know know symbian 8.0?
it was good and definetely right;
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy,
it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae.
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Posted: 2004-11-10 11:41:10
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we live in a world where more then 50% are far from being smart (normal smart). and those people buying and chose stuff without there mind, mostly design, influence from other people (salesmen, friends, commercials, fanboys,...), and also they chose there first phone brand again, cause they are to lazzy to learn how to work a better phone.
its sad, very sad, but what can we do about it? we the best group of SE members...
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Posted: 2004-11-10 12:07:51
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On 2004-11-10 11:41:10, Clearday wrote:
for me, symbian os is not fashionable,elegant...SE s os s more attractive,more friendly used but of course is not enough for improving than symbian,any one know know symbian 8.0?
So you also think the menu is all that matters. I admit SE has "nicer" menu with 3D icons etc. Also user friendliness depends of user, but Series60 is more customizable and you can organize it better, so I'd say if you look behind the nice icons that Series60 menu (at least in the newest 6630 with Symbian 8.0) is even better.
And that is the case if you dont install any 3rd party applications. As is the case in many normal users phones. But with installed applications and tweaks you can customize and better your phones to meet your needs 100%! And this is not possible with proprietary os!
BTW just to remember: You can use Series60 phones without installing any extra applications. So also normal users can use it just like normal phone!
EDIT: what you mean with: "anyone know symbian8"? Nokia 6630 is the first to use Symbian 8, and for now the most it adds is native support for WCDMA (3G). Also the next UIQ 3.0 uses Symbian 8 and for them it adds support for button-operated smaller-screen UI. Possibly this is used in SE's one-hand-operated smartphone. (This is SE's / UIQ's answer to Series60.)
[ This Message was edited by: traktori2004 on 2004-11-10 12:09 ]
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Posted: 2004-11-10 13:04:48
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Did any of u use symbian os 8? what is it like?
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Posted: 2004-11-10 14:30:00
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On 2004-11-10 14:30:00, marlonxp wrote:
Did any of u use symbian os 8? what is it like?
Once more: Symbian is the OS (Operating System) inside the phone. The user sees the UI (User Interface) which sits on top of OS. So the user shouldn't notice which version of Symbian he/she is using but the difference in UI.
But of course as the OS develops further it is normal that the UI also develops and so it is safe to say that newer Symbian feels faster and more capable.
But to ask how the Symbian feels you have to take into account the more important thing: the UI. So you should ask how the new UI (UIQ, Series60/80 etc) feels.
EDIT: if you like to know how UIQ3.0 (which sits on Symbian8) looks like you can check the link below:
http://www.uiq.com/uiq3.0overview
But this isn't necessary the new SE or any phone in the pipeline...
EDIT2: Better pictures of UIQ3.0:
http://www.uiq.com/uiquserinterfaceimages
[ This Message was edited by: traktori2004 on 2004-11-10 14:08 ]
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