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Why more mods? Instead of it WE have to behave more constructive and wise according what and where we post imo. We arent kids...
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Posted: 2005-05-22 11:20:09
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I agree with the call for more mods, M-R has more mods and they have a lot less members. In addition to the fact they don't have as many non-mobile topics.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 11:39:18
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Whilst I agree to a great extent with Scots and Masseur, I think it's a subject that we have to be careful on. The question here is, 'just how serious do you want esato to be?'
I probably shouldn't name names here but I used to contibute heavily to Experts-Exchange. They are supposedly very intollerent of off-topic discussion, joke threads etc. which is the main reason why they have the points system for rewarding accepted answers. The site is almost purely a question and answer forum, not really a place for like-minded people to chat together and help others when asked.
What happens there? All that happens now is that the 'experts' spend more of their time slagging each other off and trying to be the cleverest person on there than they do actually suggesting answers to peoples' problems. They sneer at 'newbie' questions more than some people do on here, and very often people go away from there without any help at all, just a thread-full of insults. Very often indeed.
All I'm saying is that even if something was done to stop all of the silliness on Esato, it wouldn't necessarily make Esato a better place. I refuse to accept that newbie questions get overlooked because they're hidden in a sea of garbage, anyone who's been around esato for any length of time can scan the latest posts or esato bar pages and pick out the wheat from the chaff just by looking at the thread titles.
I think the the most effective course of action would be, as Scots has already suggested, to get rid of the post count and 'faded avatars' system. It's meaningless, and it definately contributes to garbage posting just to get the post count up.
I don't think that some members should be singled out in some way for having specialist knowledge though. That would be the first step on the path towards an Experts-Exchange style system and it really doesn't work, believe me. I was consistently in the 'top ten experts' list in two different sections on EE but it didn't make people try to 'find' me nor any of the others in the lists to get help more quickly. It just doesn't work like that.
So yes, let's try to cut out the crap a bit but please don't make Esato too serious or it could end up being like a mini Experts-Exchange, heaven forbid!
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Posted: 2005-05-22 12:30:29
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i think it all started when i joined
.....i rest my case
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Posted: 2005-05-22 13:07:12
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I totally agree with Scotsbrite and Masseur here! Though my very SHORT and SIMPLE comment is that: With or without US all here, Esato will LIVE as it was before (unless Laffen will file for bankruptcy here, just like that of the 'dire strait' issue it had in 2002 or was it in 2003?
) Old ones will go as the newcomers will fill in the vacancy it left . . . . that's why there are the so-called, NEWBIES at Esato!
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Posted: 2005-05-22 13:10:02
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i found this interesting
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On 2005-05-22 13:16:29, some random guy that isnt me wrote:
i am a little disturbed about this new thread putting esato members into categories....last time i checked that was called discrimination and should be subject to the full extent of the law.....next we will see the serial posters keeping the celebrity posters as slaves to work their land on minimal pay.....
the complainers will be fighting with the political fanatics over land rights and the know it all will create the largest political power in the world and search for posts of mass disruption in the jokers territory....
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Posted: 2005-05-22 13:57:42
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Interesting...
The author of this thread also seems to have forgotten that he is himself not posting about mobile phones.
The funniest part of this thread is that those who are guilty of these accusations are here again. Pounding ferociously at their keyboards, and attempting to answer every post they could see with their eyes.
It's one of those things.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 14:14:21
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Alpha is right and i noticed it too. This thread does not have anything to do with phones. @ davo interesting quote , but i still think you wrote that stuff....
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Posted: 2005-05-22 14:26:31
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On 2005-05-22 14:14:21, Aalpha001 wrote:
Interesting...
The author of this thread also seems to have forgotten that he is himself not posting about mobile phones.
No I have not forgotten. What exactly is your point? I haven't said people should not discuss non-mobile matters and discussing Esato itself is vitally important to the development of this forum.
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The funniest part of this thread is that those who are guilty of these accusations are here again. Pounding ferociously at their keyboards, and attempting to answer every post they could see with their eyes.
It's one of those things.
Again you seem to misread the situation. There is nothing wrong with people posting a lot and taking part in debate and contributing to discussions; it is when people post just for the sake of it that it becomes annoying.
Perhaps you would like to offer something other than glib replies to this debate? Whenever a sensible thread, discussing an important and/or interesting issue arises there always seem to be people who feel the need to comment in a smug way, why is it? Why not just try and participate in a reasoned and civil manner?
@Cycovision
I agree fully with you in saying that Esato's community spirit should be protected and I am definitely not in favour of banning non-mobile related discussion. What I would like to see is non-mobile discussion limited to one forum (plus the Rubbish forum) and fewer serial posters or people posting utter tosh.
When I first joined this forum people used to actually have fun in the mobile related threads. We could incoporate a joke or two without the thread veering wildly off-topic and being locked. Far from that level of general good will there seems to be a pervasive air of cynicism and petty minded squabbling throughout Esato.
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Members are not substitutes for moderators.
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Posted: 2005-05-22 15:13:52
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I agree with a number of suggestions Scots made. More mods would be fine.
Let's scrap the post count for sure, and no, no special points for reasons someone else has given.
Having said that, any reforms implemented are not going to erase even 50 percent of Esato's rubbish, as human beings can be very unpredictable. But maybe it'll achieve something.
We obviously left out a category of people: the wise-cracking smart-asses, who hardly ever contribute anything useful but have taken it upon themselves to take snipes at every other person's posts.
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