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Terrorists kill for a reason. To ignore that is dangerous.
Targeting innocent civilians is wrong, whether its suicide bombers or Isreali tanks.
While i support the Palestinian cause i don't support the murder of innocents but i also don't live in fear of my home being bulldozed and my land stolen. If i were in that position i would hope to be strong enough to keep hold of those values.
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Posted: 2005-07-25 02:49:05
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oh and here's a pm from Lazn
I replied letting him know that it's the most stupidest PM i've ever recieved, as well as letting him know that it seemed to be written by a racist child.
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mmm palastine wasn't a country ... the british was in charge there.. ..
i know so many things that you don't know ... do you know that evry day about 40 missiles hits the israeli teritorry .. ? & it's killing women kids &babies ... did you know that ?!?!?!? i guess not !!
do you know who launches these missiles ??? - NO ... so i'll tell you ..
plastinens citizens launch tose missiles ... BTW these missiles called KASAM
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I guess he doesn't know that alot of Palastinians die as well. Or the latest news which shows that Israel is trying to build a wall to block Palasitinians out...
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Posted: 2005-07-25 04:06:56
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@peeta: i think there is an important distinction between the reasons they kill and the excuses they give.
if overnight every terrorist group's demands were met (US out of iraq/afghanistan, israel left unsupported, etc.) terrorism would not end. if anything it would get worse because such groups would be encouraged to see their tactics actually working. the only change would be in their excuses. it would go from "we're killing them to achieve X" to "we're killing them to make sure they never do it again", or "to prevent the spread of their corruption", or "because i'm a power-mad SOB who gets off on chaos and violence, and the voices in my head tell me to".
appeasement is not a viable option.
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Posted: 2005-07-26 02:12:37
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@gelfen, and thats the endless cycle.
In their eyes, they dont want to give up to the US, because the US is the terrorist (I believe that the way their government, they are sneaky terrorists)
You see many say that terrorists will go on making demands if they are met, but how is that known? You can't compare life to movies.
You have to at least test this theory out.
If the terrorists are doing bad things now, and the US leaves Iraq for example, and the terrorists continue to do what they do, what's happened? In the view of terror, everything is still the same, however in the view of the Iraqi people, they've gained a bit of peace.
Do you know what I'm trying to say?
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Posted: 2005-07-26 02:35:57
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Amnesia, can i ask you how your definition of terrorism is, and do you believe in a kind of peace treaty with elements like al qaida or what they may like to call themself. Would you also consider e.g Hitler as a victim during wwII for US foreign politic. Dont forget that Berlin was ripped apart by bombs back then. When should US interfere in a conflict? Only when somethings threatening europe, like e.g the war on balkan, or also when somethings bad are happening to themself like the 9/11? See my point?
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Posted: 2005-07-26 05:14:51
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"You see many say that terrorists will go on making demands if they are met, but how is that known? "
there are precedents. i can't think of any off the top of my head but i know they exist. it is akin to blackmail. say you pay a blackmailer $500 to not reveal your secrets, then some time later they will inevitably come by asking for another $500. what do you do then? it's too late to back out since you already gave in the first time.
if nothing else it is human nature, learnt from earliest childhood. behaviour x achieved desired outcome y, therefore to achieve desired outcome z repeat behaviour x.
in any event, not one single nation on earth is prepared to take the risk that any given terrorist group won't stand by their word. the fact that such groups are prepared to deliberately kill innocent civillians tends to limit their credibility somewhat.
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Posted: 2005-07-26 09:29:05
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I must say that i agree to the things you say Gelfen. And the fact that these fanatics see us in the western part of the world and cultur as pagans doesnŽt make them more reliable when it comes to excuses why they want to blow themself up, or among innocent civilians. These elements has proven time after time that they want stop, unless they get stopped. What makes me a bit sick, is to hear people say time after time that USA is the part that commits terror. Start to wonder if the world is about to be a little turned upside down. And the claim that everything is about the jews (israel-palestinian conflict), and that is theire fault.. are we facing a holocoust nr. II, or what happens? Wonder how it must be to be a jude these day. IŽm sure many of them inevitable must be thinking about the WWII, while many people supports the terrorattacs against them, killing their mothers, brothers on so up til these day. Whatever the jews are doing, peacefull or not according to whose to judge, they will always be blamed for something bad in this world. Cant be nice.
Whatever the exuses these fanatics terrorists must have, theire actions can not be accepted, and must be answered in a way they understand. If not, then weŽll get hell on earth. Thats for sure.
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Posted: 2005-07-26 10:12:57
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Its more like i'm a 6' tall bodybuilder repeatedly punching a 6 stone weakling but they get a punch through. To which i reply i can't stop hitting them otherwise they have won.
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Posted: 2005-07-27 12:55:52
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On 2005-07-26 05:14:51, Aquila wrote:
Amnesia, can i ask you how your definition of terrorism is, and do you believe in a kind of peace treaty with elements like al qaida or what they may like to call themself. Would you also consider e.g Hitler as a victim during wwII for US foreign politic. Dont forget that Berlin was ripped apart by bombs back then. When should US interfere in a conflict? Only when somethings threatening europe, like e.g the war on balkan, or also when somethings bad are happening to themself like the 9/11? See my point?
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Very good point.
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Posted: 2005-07-27 13:43:58
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@aquila,
life is never as easy as just a definition.
You say terrorist, but they say freedom fighter.
It's all in different eyes.
The only way to stop all of this is if other countries stopped butting into others affairs, and simply waited to be asked for assistance, or simply agreeing if their help was rejected.
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Posted: 2005-07-27 15:22:16
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