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mrao i think you mis understood what i meant, i meant that there are more vegans in india than in the uk, it was purely a statistical comment
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Posted: 2005-09-09 09:15:18
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@solid praaji....i guess i did misunderstand the perspective of your comment
peace
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Posted: 2005-09-09 09:57:00
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@whizzkid, I was replying to ayush who is more militant about it than you are.
Thanks for your reasonable comments, which I mostly agree with.
I believe that in the future, it will be possible for humans to stop relying on animals for sustenence. For now we don't farm efficiently enough to support everyone with vegies alone. Once better organic and permaculture farming methods evolve it will be seen that food can be produced much cheaper without chemicals, mono cultures etc, for a much higher yield. Then we can stop relying on animals.
Regarding life, a tree also lives, and I believe has a consciousness just like animals do. It would be much more rudimentary, but I believe they have it. Think of experiments where positive thinking has an impact on the health of plants. This also explains why chemicals and mono-cultures do not promote the highest yields possible - because the plants are treated like battery farm animals! They are abused, unhappy, sick and therefore not resistant to disease and bugs.
On the other hand plants in a permaculture are much more resistant to disease. They are healthier and happier.
The answer is not to stop eating, but to respect and honour that which we do eat.
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Posted: 2005-09-09 15:06:10
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Yip eat in moderation, do everything in moderation!!
Whats this about unhappy animals?? If they bred in captivity, they dont know any better!! Its sad but true they are bred to be eaten!!
If the world stops eating them... IF!!!?? then What?? Will they become extinct? there wont be a use for them! They will just become old eat all the grass and die!! then you stuck with old meat that could be hazardus to our health.... then theres also the leather issue....
If for some reason you have the power to stop every1, the whole world from eating meat... Where do the animals stand for you, what would you do with them...???? just curious
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Posted: 2005-09-09 16:15:04
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relax mate, I'm talking way in the future dude. I'm not advocating we work towards it now, we don't have the technology or understanding of the ecosystem!
btw, we rear animals, we don't eat them wild. There wouldn't be much affect at all on native wildlife except that it would have chance to regain it's natural equilibrium. Animals don't grow fast enough in the wild to survive extinction when used by humans, in case you hadn't noticed. We FARM them. If we didn't eat them they would die from their own predators or starvation.
I'm just saying that I think it will be possible one day that it will be cheaper and healthier to grow food than to rear it. We may still have meat, but not necessarily everyday.
Anyway I don't really care, I don't think killing an animal is the bad part. As long as people treat animals humanely, then it's okay to kill them for meat. That's what I'm trying to say but it seems vegetarians and meat eaters alike are attacking me. One side because I eat meat, the other side because I don't like to see animals suffering.
"These Romans are crazy" as Obelix would say....
Go and study what the Native tribes all around the world have to say about respecting the spirit of animals they kill for food...it's about doing what has to be done, but with compassion and honour.
[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2005-09-09 16:52 ]
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Posted: 2005-09-09 17:44:46
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786, u say what if humans stop eating them??
dude they are reared to be eaten. so if demand stops the killing will too
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Posted: 2005-09-09 18:09:30
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No that is not true Ayush what about the indigenous tribes that are still out there that dont rely on technology,I can say they hunt meat for sure......
what about indians they still whale hunt for meat.... I could go on and on but some skulls are too thick in here.........
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Posted: 2005-09-09 22:25:15
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be careful what you say before insulting people, anyone can learn to grow crops, they dont have to hunt their food
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Posted: 2005-09-09 22:34:53
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in case you hadn't noticed, crops aren't that easy to grow. Like I said, mono-cultures (the primary way crops are grown today) require expensive fertilisers and pesiticides, and expensive farming equipment to obtain high yields.
Native tribes should turn their rainforest homes into farmland? Destroy even more rainforest? Perhaps the 3 billion of us who need extra land for growing food (so we don't have to eat meat) could use their land?
Already land all over the world is over-farmed. Do you want to completely destroy the world's ecosystem just so you don't have to feel guilty about killing an animal?
Eventually food will be grown more efficiently. If you want to make a difference join a community farm that grows organics, then take what you learn there and start an organic farm. Spread the knowledge, don't attack people. Be pro-active.
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Posted: 2005-09-10 03:38:55
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no they dont have to hunt for food but as you see they choose to hunt for food.....
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Posted: 2005-09-10 14:00:30
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