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@Max
No one has said you have to like the N95 never mind own one and i really can't see what relevance the price of the N95 makes to a over year old dumb phone of course it will be cheaper.
What people are talking about is the simple fact that SE have not updated their screens or processors for a very long time. Why do you always have to compare SE to Nokia, just judge SE on their merits alone or lack of them.
If you are going to go for the W960 i am pretty sure it will be more expensive than even the N95 8GB, but i wouldn't think that would be any good for you either as it doesn't have a touch screen. Which is fine by me no one says you have to like or buy that either.
It's a bit like every one was more than happy to tell me how unnecessary HSDPA is yet now some SE devices have this we have SE users saying how brilliant it is to have it. I 'm sure if and when SE update their processors and screen's these will all of a sudden be brilliant as well.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-22 20:14 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-22 21:08:25
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Whenever I try and discuss SE phones on their own merit, inevitably someone mentions N95 and what it can do. It's not me that starts these N95 comparisons.
I say such and such SE is a nice phone, then someone comes along argues the phone is obsolete because it doesn't have this or that feature set of that the N95 has.
all any of us are doing is discussing what are personal preferences. You can't discuss phones on an absolute value system. You can on hardware alone, but not on style or ergonomics or suitable features (everyone's needs for certain features differ) as these are open to interpretation.
You simply cannot say "phone x has more features therefore it is more suitable for everyone than phone y"
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Posted: 2007-10-25 01:03:24
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On 2007-10-22 21:08:25, Dogmann wrote:
What people are talking about is the simple fact that SE have not updated their screens or processors for a very long time. Why do you always have to compare SE to Nokia, just judge SE on their merits alone or lack of them.
I don't disagree that SE are behind in the processor and screen area, why does that mean I am not allowed to like the W960?? If the alternative (N95) had a touchscren and better UI and nicer styling (for my tastes), then I would be interested in it. You guys can't get that I AM NOT an SE fanboy. I say I'm not but you filter everything I say as if it was coming from an SE fanboy. But for me it's not about loving SE (who gives a shit they are just a company), but I do love their styling and UI, so until another phone company does it as well, I will keep finding SE phones appealing.
If you are going to go for the W960 i am pretty sure it will be more expensive than even the N95 8GB, but i wouldn't think that would be any good for you either as it doesn't have a touch screen. Which is fine by me no one says you have to like or buy that either.
I'm talking about the W960, which does have a touchscreen.
P1 in australia is between $200 and $400 cheaper than N95. So I'm sure W960 will compare well in price compared to N95 8GB
It's a bit like every one was more than happy to tell me how unnecessary HSDPA is yet now some SE devices have this we have SE users saying how brilliant it is to have it. I 'm sure if and when SE update their processors and screen's these will all of a sudden be brilliant as well.
I never said HSDPA wasn't better than UMTS, only that it wasn't enough of an advantage for me to consider the N95 or other HSDPA phones above and beyond the SE UI. As internet services that need HSDPA to be usable become more common, then of course I will be quite interested in HSDPA. Infact, while I don't miss it now, by the time I'm ready to buy the K850 I will be glad of it.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 01:18:11
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@Max I bothered to look thru your posts you've made ages ago and I must say you contradict yourself here and there. But I guess that's ok. Everyone will change his/hers opinion as time 'changes'. The thing is you change you opinion to make SE look particularly good when they clearly aren't. People like 'ARES' are very silent this days when it comes to bashing Nokia. You on the other hand are still trumpeting SE's "hi-end" phones. (if one can talk about SE and hi-end). Even more, you get very 'agitated' if one does put the 'facts on the table'. You'll meticulously give long and twisted answers trying to defend the undefendable. This things make people think, you are a 'true' SE fanboy - if you accept/like it or not. Sorry bud.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 05:55:46
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@mario2004
You're obviously a Nokia fanboy. There's nothing more in your arguments rather than suggesting "SE sucks, get a Nokia" and it's pretty obvious since it's all Nokia, Nokia, Nokia with you like some sort of psycho on a mission. It must be tiresome to do two things at once (convincing 1)SE sucks and 2)Nokia's a divine brand) when people like max_wedge already has a hard time doing just 1 thing, defending his brand of choice. You don't think my statement is true? Don't like to be branded a Nokia fanboy? Then stop branding others and have a civilized and intellectual discourse please.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 08:37:15
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On 2007-10-25 01:03:24, max_wedge wrote:
but not on style or ergonomics or suitable features (everyone's needs for certain features differ) as these are open to interpretation.
BUT you are NOT!!!. One great example is your statement:- "N95 video rec is slightly better than K850". It is an undeniable fact that N95 video rec whoops K850 ass but yet you are still in denial.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 08:37:28
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On 2007-10-25 08:37:28, mib1800 wrote:
On 2007-10-25 01:03:24, max_wedge wrote: but not on style or ergonomics or suitable features (everyone's needs for certain features differ) as these are open to interpretation.
BUT you are NOT!!!. One great example is your statement:- "N95 video rec is slightly better than K850". It is an undeniable fact that N95 video rec whoops K850 ass but yet you are still in denial.
Not to sound like I'm defending the K850 or anything since I'm quite disppointed with the Vid recording quality myself, but the 30 fps QVGA recording is actually just a notch below 30 fps VGA - spec-wise which is probably what max_wedge meant when he said 'slightly'. But we all know the real difference in quality between these two specs
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Posted: 2007-10-25 08:46:00
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Seriously, aren't you guys tired of arguing?
This year, I have to admit, Sony Ericsson is pretty weak. But they came up with lots of solutions. Solutions for people who needs phones for what it is, not for people who is really in search of a phone with every features in the world.
Nokia has done quite well. The same as Sony Ericsson, they just made the same phone but with more features. N95 becomes N95 8GB. Surely everyone would know that Nokia has been in the phone business much longer than Sony Ericsson.
Sony Ericsson needs time. Nokia doesn't. Nokia knows what they want but Sony Ericsson are still looking for more interesting ideas to implement in their phones.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 09:04:50
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@mode
Maybe you should of read what Max actually tried to claim instead of making your claims in support. It is 30fps VGA recording what it is not is DVD quality on this is it slightly below. Unlike what Max claims in this thread as he said
"VGA video, still crappy encoding, still a gimmick."
Which lets face it is no where close to the truth along with this from the wanted K850 VGA video recording thread
"The output is still poorly pixelated on movement and detail (particularly foliage), colour is as bad as the still camera, and tbh no single camera phone on the market yet has video suitable for displaying on a TV screen. The N95 cmos sensor doesn't do the vga resolution justice at all imho."
Which lets be honest whilst it may be in his honest opinion is just not supported by the facts is it. As i said above it may not be DVD quality but it is not far off.
He also continues to try and make his point with this statement
" I am arguing no phone on the market yet does useful video recording. K850 in my view doesn't need VGA recording as VGA recording is still just a gimmick."
Which is rather strange considering how these devices made news for being the first to offer this along with all the positive reviews and user experiences. Of first the N93 the first device to be able to offer this, and then the N93i and N95.
But this is his opinion and obviously he is entitled to it but to suggest what he meant is it is just below 30fps or DVD quality is just not correct. As if he had stated it was below DVD quality i would of agreed as i would imagine would everyone else. Unfortuantly this is not what Max has claimed which is why we have not agreed with him. If you are going to support what some ones opinion is and what they have said perhaps you should check exactly what that is first.
Also Mode don't think it is a little rich you accusing Mario of being a Nokia Fan Boy when you exhibit exactly the same if not stronger support for SE or are you an SE Fan Boy? and don't find being called one insulting?
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-25 13:24 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-25 13:59:46
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@Max
Yet again we are talking about the lack of advancement in SE devices and off you go at a tangent about the N95 and lack of Touchscreen and a UI you prefer no one has said you can't like the W960 or any of the other things that draw you to SE. Yet even you in the opening line agree that SE are behind in the processor and screen area just what is the point of the rest of this paragraph.
Max i don't know how you missed it but i was referring to the N95 8GB not having a touchscreen as i said you would prefer the W960 and the only point i was making was that i think the W960 will be as expensive if not more than the N95GB. Also that the W960 for the same or even slightly less has very old hardware when compared to the N95 8GB and I'm still not saying you have to like or buy the N95 8GB.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-25 13:21 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-25 14:20:57
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