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Umm, settings->iPod->EQ??
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Posted: 2008-12-08 14:11:17
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Yeah, ok, you keep saying those tired old words. Add a few exclamation marks!! Maybe if you believe them enough, they'll come true.



Add a made up statistic, that's bound to help!

"Most of"

"10%"

Yeah, you've got me on the science!

I only use the iPhone to call people, text, maintain a couple of spreadsheets, watch videos, listen to music, play games (a lot of games - I was never much of a gamer before, but games on the iphone are fun), do virtually all my web surfiing of course (the laptop at home barely gets a look in now), look at maps when I'm out walking, take the odd snap, take notes, check the weather, check the latest Bloomberg stock quotes, Facebook, blog, download and read ebooks, have all my work email pushed to me and work wherever, and generally fulfill a multitude of other tasks and PDA functions... I barely need a phone at all in fact.



No offence, but you must know some seriously stupid people, for them to either not understand what the phone's capable of, or not be able to find another much cheaper phone more suited to their needs.

If ALL of them just call and listen to the music, then I repeat: ALL OF THEM are thick as, and just blew a load of money when they could have had a cheap old walkman on a much cheaper contract. Don't hesitate to tell them that from me. Incidentally, you might want to suggest they just hand the phones over to you - they're obviously easily lead so they'll do it - then you can sell them on for tons of money. Buy them a W910 each and keep the rest for yourself, why not.



You know you're right, if half your moronic friends who don't even know why they've got an iPhone think its crap, then I may as well stamp on mine right now, I'm clearly an idiot for seeing anything more in it.



It's only been 18 months since the original model was released out of nowhere - as flawed as it was in terms of missing features, it still set the bar which every other manufacturer has been reaching for since. One model later and it's moved on incredibly already, with third party support turning into a fully fledged gaming device, a mobile office, and everything else under the sun. You think Apple are standing still? You don't expect to see anything new from them next year?



The argument in terms of this thread is simply - was the iPhone 3G a threat to the P and X series. My answer, the very obvious answer, was yes - it was. The fast pace of change brought about by the iPhone ultimately lead to the demise of UIQ and the P series, which couldn't keep up - likewise, the X1 - SE's multimedia lead, "experience" driven response to the iPhone - has been completely overshadowed by Apple's platform growth, driven entirely by the iPhone 3G.

Say what you like about "professional" devices now, but the X1 and the whole Xperia brand was supposed to be mass market, a multimedia feast, a touchscreen eXperience - all of that has fallen away now.



There a none so blind as those that will not see...

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-12-08 13:32 ]
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Posted: 2008-12-08 14:24:36
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Boinng

You really have problem with some simple comprehension, maybe than you play too much on your device? My friends who you just offended (just a part of your great argumentation I assume) are the example of 90% of iPhone customers = people buying it for hype. Just for it plus it's for free for most customers of main providers. That's it about numbers.
The above activities you mentioned can be obtained on any average feature phone, just a bit better like the camera quality or the sound quality or ringtone level etc.
Maybe you're to young to get it or whatever, this discussion is pointless with an fanboy.
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[ This Message was edited by: doministry on 2008-12-08 13:44 ]
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Posted: 2008-12-08 14:32:07
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So I offended them (because naturally they're reading this forum), but they're not at all insulted by your portrayal of them as mindless goons, buying phones entirely based on hype, and expressing no will of their own? Okay.

And just to be clear, you're portraying 90% of the iPhone customer base as lumbering fools, unable to comprehend their own purchasing decisions? Your exhaustive research and personal experience leads you to believe that just 10% of iPhone users actually get on with their phones? Cripes.

Lucky me. I am the one in ten.



Aha! There's the magic word, that solid gold get-out clause - of course, I'm a fanboy! Case closed. Good argument. Very formiddable debating I'm sure.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-12-08 13:40 ]
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Posted: 2008-12-08 14:39:58
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Man you really don't get it, do you??
I never offend my friends or anyone, just look around!!!
Most of people just don't care about the mobile phones so they get what is given! Or what is fashionable!
It does not make them idiots, they just don't care. So in this area the marketing is the best way to SELL. In big numbers.
I don't know if you're an idiot - you know it, I have no interest.
But the thing you keep in your hands is what it is - a great marketing with a beautiful screen. And a big lie underneath.
Yes, maketing makes miracles with people.
(P.S. Just look what are the top 10 apps in the appstore...
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Posted: 2008-12-08 14:50:16
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@ Boinng

You seem a 'together iPhone user' - ignore Domistrys rants

A genuine question...

I love the look of the iPhone from the ads - never have used one so I can't comment on it's abilities - but your judgement and writeup sounds good - thanks.

My main concern is that it seems considerably wider and taller than a P1i although slimmer - is this right? I find the P1i very easy to carry round and hardly notice it in the pocket - even OK in track trousers jogging much to my surprise. I love the huge looking screen of the iPhone - but is it as comfortable in the pocket?

Thanks
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Posted: 2008-12-08 15:53:31
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The thing is, it's you that called them idiots. You did that. You brought the term up - it's your word. You said:

"Really, iPhone is made for "idiots", I mean people who never ever used touchscreen. "

You may be backpeddalling from the open insult now, but you're still clinging to this idea that iPhone users buy on the back of the hype only - with your "most" this, "90%" that, your basic (and completely unsubstantiated) point is that all those people that disagree with you (ie, all the people with iphones) are senseless idiots that were suckered in by the hype. And I'm sorry, but as much as that might go down well on Esato, it's wrong. Plain, ugly old wrong.



What's the lie? Can you tell me that? What am I, the idiot, blinded by marketing, not seeing?

I've used two generations of UIQ, I've used one of the most advanced WM phones ever released (only slightly bettered by the X1 this year), I've been taking things like touchscreens, mobile internet, email, music, and business apps for granted since 2002, and yet I look at my iPhone 3G of two months and see one of the best phones/gadgets I've ever had. It's faster than any phone I've ever had, the web browsing is far better, the responsiveness is better, everything about the UI is better, even the basics like taking a call are better than some of my previous "smart" phones. Email (even work email) is a joy. The keyboard is better than the chunky great hard keyboard that used to slide out of my Tytn II, Wifi is stronger, the available software far better quality and cheaper at the same time.

That's all marketing, right? Which bits are the lie, all of them?



It's making something out of you



I'm looking now, 7 of them are quite high quality games (things like Cro-Mag Rally, Touchgrind, Brothers in Arms, Crash Bandicoot), then there's a medical type utility to test your eyesight, a "night camera" photo enhancement tool, and a speed camera utilty that uses the GPS to warn you of traffic cams. Is there a hilarious joke in there somewhere?

Those are just the paid ones mind, the top ten freebies range from Google Earth, to Joost (a media player for online videos), a few little games, a clock application, a WiFi seeker to hunt out free hotspots, a news aggregator, and a cocktail recipe app. Surprised not to see a few others in there like the Facebook app, the Google Search app (with voice search), Stanza the ebook reader, Last FM, Bloomberg, MyRail Lite (live departure boards from any UK railway station) - they're all free too. Where's the funny joke? Did I miss it?
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Posted: 2008-12-08 15:55:07
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Well, I'll try to be fair here - I never had a P1 - my last UIQ phone was the M600, which was a little lighter and slimmer than a P1 if anything - but, for the last year I carried an HTC Tytn II, which is huge in comparison, and after that anything seems like a lightweight!

The iPhone is obviously slightly wide so depending on the pocket it could be a tighter fit than your P1, but I've never had a problem. It's light and very slim (with a curved back that makes it seem slimmer) and generally slips in and out my pockets very easily. I started to keep it in a "sock" just to keep the back nice (the screen itself is glass and you'd be unlucky to scratch it) and even with that on I can get in my jeans or shirt pocket no problem... it always gets a pocket of its own though, like any of my phones (keys and phones never mix!)
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Posted: 2008-12-08 16:01:58
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Boinng,

if you don't see a clear distinction between your personal preferences and the general device's approach/analisys,
that's definitely not my problem.
As for the main topic my answer is no - iPhone is not surpassing Xperia to an end since it's not possible to really surpass a profi device with a great gadget. That's a different cathegory.
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Posted: 2008-12-08 16:15:50
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Domistry - can you define a "profi" phone, and explain why the iphone isn't one?

Are you saying that nobody that might have bought the X1 has since bought the iPhone 3G? Because if so, you're wrong - if I'd bought another WM device to replace my Tytn II (and not been tempted away to an alternative OS entirely) it most probably would have been the X1.



The device doesn't have an analysis, you have an analysis of the device, and sadly it's not a very well informed one. I'd suggest you need to take another look at the distinction between the reality of what many iPhone users (like myself) are saying, and what you might prefer to be true.

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2008-12-08 15:34 ]
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Posted: 2008-12-08 16:29:20
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