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@Doctabako, I wanted to start a new topic unrelated to firearms, and thought the first post was a well written introduction to a controversial (to some) subject. So i was going to copy bits to introduce another thread?
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Posted: 2003-09-24 19:46:00
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Unfortunatly i think they are. Some idiot went around a Southern Queensland University with a few Semi-autos and killed a bunch of civies. Pity, I wonder what will happen when someone in australia uses a bat to go on a rampage, no more sport?
There needs to be a more in depth testing when getting firearms licences (i know that you can get guns 'under-the-table' easily in Aus). Anything to weed out the whackjobs.
A few years ago a recruit blew about 6 members of his platoon and then himself down at the firing range. That incident brought in a lot more psych evaluations for recruits before they get theirs hands on an automatic rifle.
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Posted: 2003-09-25 06:35:38
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The same thing is happening in our country, the noose is being tightened on responsible gun owners as a result of a few miscreants who aren't even supposed to have been allowed to carry guns anyway. I'm all for tighter requirements and testing if it means weeding out the undesirables which give the majority a bad rep. Right now its mostly a political question and we're hoping that things will get better once a new leader is installed.
jchu
Oh, okay then
though I'm still not sure why
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Posted: 2003-09-25 11:35:23
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doc,
unfortunately the noose is tightened only to the law-abiding people, and not on the criminals on the streets. i mean... the obvious places to hunt down the criminals are left uncovered... FX-mega taxis and buses and jeeps plying the notorious streets are left unguarded by the police, or no police-visibility. everyday we hear news of vehicles being held-up. while the law-abiding citizens are also victims of the pencil-pushing idiot emotional law makers who are against guns. where do you think they will be...the anti-guns... if ever i call for help, if a criminal treaten me on the streets? will anti-gun group come to help me... on time?
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Posted: 2003-09-25 13:36:05
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Although its bad to wish ill of anybody, I think the only way for these anti-gun lobbyists to wake up is for them to suffer from all the things you stated. Then and only then will they feel the need for self protection which is what we really want. To be on equal footing with the criminals, responsible citizens should be allowed to carry whatever means of protection they feel comfortable with and shouldn't be penalized for doing so.
Aside from election fund raising, the current rise of kidnappings and street crimes can be attributed in part to the fact that criminals know that the issuance of the PTC is suspended and they can terrorize anybody on a whim.
What the anti-gunners don't realize is that, the fact that some of us carry firearms serves as a deterrent to bad elements as they don't know who is armed or not, and those who aren't as defense minded benefit from this perception and get a free ride.
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Posted: 2003-09-25 15:13:32
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It seems I've sparked a debate, great.
In the army i depend on my rifle and handgun for personal security. I don't go around waving it above my head in a public area, hell its kept in a vault (along with 50 other rifles) with two seperate deadlock doors, vibration sensors and a camera.
I believe one major problem is keeping the gun (i hate calling them 'guns') both secure, so kiddies and robbers can't get their hands on them, but also handy enough for the owner of the house to access the handgun when that damn robber comes in. Then the robber sues the home owner for shooting him.
The politics behind firearm licencing and usage needs to be scraped completely and a new format concieved.
Gun's don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people. (the most popular retort to that is 'With Guns' )
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Posted: 2003-09-26 01:41:26
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doc and avatar... intelligent comments. i just wish the anti-gunners would come to finally think that way.
...yeah because of what the mis-informed emotional anti-guners did to the image of guns... they made it sound like guns are evil, and their owners are evil too. ( i just hope they won't outlaw kitchen knives or butchers knives too, someday, as evil gadgets. or baseball bats, or cigarette lighters, etc )
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Posted: 2003-09-26 13:38:16
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Debating about firearm rights is one of my favourite topics.
Being military i know both sides of the consequences of pulling the trigger. It doenst make me anti-guns.
Anti-gunners are usually people who have had children kill themselves and are trying to stop other teens topping them self, i respect that. But Like i said before it comes down to weapon security.
On another topic, and I'm sure this has already come up:
Your favourite rifle/pistol/other weapon?
Mine;
F88 AU Styr
Luger - i think its a funny pistol, up goes the shell, down comes the shell, on your head if not lucky.
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Posted: 2003-09-27 16:21:02
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Favorite Rifle- M-16A2 Commando( although I would love to have a .50 BMG Barret M82A1)
Favorite Single Action revolver- Ruger 44 magnum Super Blackhawk
Favorite double Action revolver- Colt Python
Favorite Pistol- Heckler and Koch USP45(but the glock 30 is a close second):)
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Posted: 2003-09-27 20:13:50
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Damn the Python has a kick to it.
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Posted: 2003-09-28 09:02:51
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