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Hey i'm enjoying this thread. It is called Eu forum and we're all part of it wether you like it or not, there is no western block anymore!
@sammy boy well said.
Materialistic yes every one is we all strive to own more. That is human nature not geographic.
bit deep sorry
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Posted: 2004-05-22 00:58:38
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boto> Yeah, in my early stage of life, dinosaurs were dead but still had some flesh attached to the bones.
Jim> Just next to ULB, near FD Roosevelt ave. and Bois de la Cambre.
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Posted: 2004-05-22 01:10:26
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@Atlis
Of course I know where Slovakia is without looking at a map! You seem to be implying that people from the Western nations are insular and not very well connected with events outside their own country. I am guessing you didn't mean to cause any offence and I certainly haven't taken any, I just feel that your post could have been worded better.
At any rate there is a great deal of variation within Europe when it comes to the standard of living. This is the first time in recent history that the countries of Eastern Europe have had a real chance to truly prosper in an atmosphere of peace. Historically Eastern Europe has always been a very poor area in comparison with Western Europe, but hopefully this will change, everyone deserves a high standard of living.
I would be interested to know which Western European nation people from Eastern Europe regard as having the best standard of living.
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Posted: 2004-05-22 02:44:13
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What is "the best standard of living" ?
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Posted: 2004-05-22 03:21:51
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@michka
'Standard of living' means the level at which people are able to live their lives. It take sinto account factors such as, salary\price ratio, state of healthcare system and access to it, standard of education, social conditions, rule of law, etc
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Posted: 2004-05-22 04:20:49
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scot,sorry you are wrong a little bit.We (czechoslovaks)
had better living standard than westeners during times of socialism when I take this generally for all ppl.That's not me who said it but my friends who came to our country 14 years ago.Well look why, we had free of charge schools (all schools),medical care and mainly when I was in ur age I didn't know what unemployment is .
Now situations is different and you're right.
I'm sure that you can't know about our life 20 or 30 years ago 'couse I think you haven't been here.
Anyway I am very happy with the pace of the thread. Certainly this is a thread for contact between West and East ,that was reason why I did this thread.Thank to all.
Sorry my friends Mason and Roy are from empire of evil
USA.They are my best friends.
Hope we'll all meet at any place some day to discuss our problems and drink beer !
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Love toshiba
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hope they dont destroy my life
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Posted: 2004-05-22 07:11:00
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Sorry scot, I'm not first here who said something what was ment as offence... But I'm not offending anyone. What for. This discussion. And very hard. You'd be very surprised, what I've experienced during working with ppl from 47 countries - esp. UK, Germany, US, Belgium, Holland etc. - their knowledges about world - sometimes I didn't know if to laugh or cry... :-) That's why I asked - after hearing opinion that we have deserts in our country or taxidriver in Brussels didn't know where Russia or China is...
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Posted: 2004-05-22 12:23:20
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@Atlis
I did say that I didn't think you had meant any offence, it was just the way you had worded your post that made me think some people might take offence. I certainly didn't take offence and I do understand your point, sometimes people can be very ignorant of other nations and cultures.
@boto43
I would have to disagree with you; in my opinion Czechoslovakia did not have a better standard of living than Western nations twenty or thirty years ago. I say this because if one compares both Czechoslovakia and the UK thirty years ago then we have the following situation:
Both countries offered free healthcare to everyone (in the case of the UK this also includes foreigners)
Both countries offered free education to everyone (again this includes foreigners who came to stay in Britain for extended periods of time, but who didn't remain in Britain permanently)
An obvious difference would be unemployment, Britain being a capitalist country experienced unemployment, sometimes high, sometimes low. I would be interested to know if Czechoslovakia had 100% employment or was it a case that unemployment was just very low.
The UK didn't have (and still doesn’t have) a secret police force
The UK allowed freedom of speech, people could criticise the government without fear of reprisals
The UK allowed free and fair elections to choose a new government at least every five years, the people were free to vote for whoever they thought would do the best job
The UK was not fearful that U.S. tanks would rumble through London if the UK should take a different line to that of the U.S. (e.g. Suez Crisis). The former communist countries had to make sure they kept their policies in line with those of Moscow.
Whilst both the UK and Czechoslovakia offered a social net so that everyone had access to basics like medical treatment and education, the political differences between them meant that in Britain anyone had the opportunity to become wealthy and improve their standard of living with enough determination and hard work, but in Czechoslovakia this would have been extremely unlikely. How many Czech, or for that matter Polish or Hungarian or Romanian, etc millionaires do we hear about from that era?
Czechoslovakia had a reasonable standard of living before WWII and was considered one of the more powerful countries in Eastern Europe. The fact that Britain betrayed the Czechs at Munich is something we should be eternally ashamed of, if we had stood with the Czechs when Hitler threatened them then WWII might have been over a lot sooner and communism would never have had a chance to spread throughout Eastern Europe. Can you imagine how prosperous and successful Eastern Europe might have been today if they had been allowed to continue as democracies?
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Posted: 2004-05-22 13:06:09
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Yes u r right as usuall,but it wasnt me who had said to me.A friend of mine from usa told me that we were crazy when we had changed our system.Another note :yeah u r right again with russians tanks but what about yugoslaves and ur and usa bombing.You r wrong with our police.Now we have 5 times more police and red tapes as the times of soc. I think i can compare both systems.I used to live 30 years in soc and now in cap .I don't think this is a subject of the forum lets speak about future of eu. 'Couse it's possible here to lock a thread how was done with irq threads.That's western freedom of speech.
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Posted: 2004-05-22 14:04:18
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1999 by nato bombs in Serbia&Montenegro kill 1800 civilians, bombs is throw and to marketplace
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Posted: 2004-05-22 14:39:52
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