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@WhyBe
1. You mentioned that SE are waiting for devs to devlop applications for the X1 using the nice X1 UI which in our own words is iPhone like. I am a dev and I want to develop apps for the X1 using their nice UI so please direct me to some sort of guide or framework I can use to develop such apps
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2. The apps SE are writting are basic multimedia, a bit of eyecandy today screen, some sort of RSS feed thing. The core components of WM remain the same, from your browser to your messaging and emails, to your settings, I have this confirmed from a marketing friend at SE and he confirmed that, wheather you like it or not.
3. The time is required for Optimization, methinks SE are going all out with the panels and misjudged the RAM required(maybe they forgot WVGA needs more RAM than QVGA, lol), not to rewrite basic apps.
@mib
This is not UIQ, not is the basic hardware by SE, and definately I prefer the X1 to Nokias flagship at that moment, the N96 which uses an ARM 9 processor, and is just another product to milk nokia fanboys, I'd go for the X1 anyday, even if the panels is bloated, I can disable it and I'll have a full 256MB of RAM to play with wheeeeeeeeeee!
. IMO the X1 is a hell of a decision by SE and their Xperia line might bring them back from the dead and prevent another Moto situation.
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Posted: 2008-05-27 14:19:53
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On 2008-05-27 11:41:48, Dogmann wrote:
The fact that you point us to an interview with Mr K where he failed to even answer all the questions put to him and it took so long to even get those BS answers.
That was just FYI and unrelated to our X1 discussion. Yes, he did give typical CEO answers.
Along with the fact that you seem to be of the opinion that everything SE say is of course both 100% true and accurate suggests to me a level of naivety rarely seen on any forum.
No I don't believe in all things SE, but their info that I've linked to makes a heck of a lot more sense than the rumours and theories purported by the hate squad in this thread.
I have to ask have you ever used a smart phone?
Have you ever used a WM device?
Have you ever used a UIQ device?
Because quite frankly your belief in all your told by SE PR is quite unbelievable and the lack of understanding you appear to have also defies belief.
Yes I have and use a p910-my only
. Kyocera and Moto's before that. And one hp Pocket PC when they first hit the market.
Yes, I've used a WM phone (my buddy owns one) and I think it sucked from a practicality perspective. I have another friend who works for at&t and he always carries three or four phones with him at all times (he's always being a salesman). I didn't care for any of the WM phones or Blackberries. The iPhone I had to admit was very well put together.
Marc:
WhyBe:
" SE is a corporation that has the means of hiring whatever coding talent is needed for their products. Their gaffe with the p990 could have been due to accountants or management poor cost-cutting decisions--such as, reducing the needed resources for the p990 developers to properly finish the project. That's usually what ruins products in other markets."
As obviously you have managed to miss the fact that the didn't fix it they stopped support and that the P1 and W960 still launched with known bugs from the earlier devices still not fixed. Not forgetting the K850 that still even know 6 months plus after launch many are still waiting for a yet another new firmware to fix it.
Theory and logic is one thing as yes SE should be able to do all those things that you say
but the reality is very different isn't it?
Marc
Perhaps
...we'll see...
aksd wrote:
1. You mentioned that SE are waiting for devs to devlop applications for the X1 using the nice X1 UI which in our own words is iPhone like. I am a dev and I want to develop apps for the X1 using their nice UI so please direct me to some sort of guide or framework I can use to develop such apps .
I don't know. But if you contact them through Handango InHand, I'm sure they'll have the info you are seeking
@To the club:
You guys are wearing me out. If the X1 turns out to be as good as I believe it will (that is, better than you guys say it will be), I think you guys should give me a prize or something.
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Posted: 2008-05-27 15:01:52
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@WhyBe
I'm assuming I'm part of this "hate" squad, everything I've said is backed mostly by proof and insider developer knowledge, I love the rumours you spread about not "being able to see the WM UI" on the X1 which is blatant nonsense, SE marketing people after trying their hardset not to get into the WM UI, could'nt, otherwise they would'nt be able to SMS nor change their settings nor use WM's fantastic today plugin support.
And I dont think Dogmann is anti X1, nor am I(I'm actually pro X1, I've recomendded it to a ton of my friends), its just that I like debating when certain un-truths are posted on forums.
Handango said WVGA apps(they did not mention any framework), YOU said apps based on a new touch based Xperia interface, you also mentioned that the delay is because of time for developers to develop apps with an "Xperia" feel which you have led the forum to believe, so I dont think its too much to ask for you to back up your statement and lead me to a link that allows a developer(myself) to develop apps with the "Xperia" feel.
The X1 is going to be a good handset, although not great imo, as a month or two after purchase you're going to see WM7 phones out. Also the Xperia will be a great WM 6.1 phone, one of the best at the time of its release without a doubt but it is not going to have break through software nor is it an iPhone replacement.
[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-27 14:19 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-27 15:13:08
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Could anyone answer of these questions? thnks
1: Has the X1 really been delayed until November/December time
please tell me it isnt so?
2. Would it be A positive thing for S.E to upgrade the hardware capabilty of this handset to make it WM7 Compliant, (motion sensor etc.
3. The limitation of 16bit color depth of WM5/6 O.S. Does WM7 support 24bit color?
4. Is it cost effective to change the screen for Question 3
5. 311 PPI resolution, I thought the human eye can only resolve 290ish at 18" why so high of a resolution?
6.X1,Raphael, Snapdragon,APX2500,Google Phone, Iphone2, all i need is a beast of a phone Not bothered what manufacture or operating system (I just learn to use it to its best capabilty or mine) I am impartial, if something else comes out which stands out above all competitors then I get that,
which one of the above do you think will stand out, the xperia seems to be the one at the monent but if these monster phones are cominb out just after the delayed release of the X1, then I will be slightly dissapointed if the X1 is not ready, for the holy grail (WM7)
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Posted: 2008-05-27 16:35:41
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On 2008-05-27 15:01:52, WhyBe wrote:
@To the club:
You guys are wearing me out. If the X1 turns out to be as good as I believe it will (that is, better than you guys say it will be), I think you guys should give me a prize or something.
LOL, I gotta admire your dedication, to the X1. Such drive and passion is rarely seen. I want a pair of your rose coloured glasses
PS: I don’t think anyone on this forum is a SE hater or a X1 hater who wouldn’t want a great product like this to come to light. Most of us are veterans and have the battle scars to prove it as such we don’t share your ‘unique’ optimistic outlook.
[ This Message was edited by: imranbashir on 2008-05-27 15:48 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-27 16:42:32
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1. There has been no confirmation from SE, like I mentioned if it were to release in the next 3 months the service center, marketing people etc.. would have had training sessions for the handset which still has'nt begun, therfore my personal opinion is it should release anytime between Oct-Dec
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2. Of course, one of the selling points of WM is the ability to upgrade platfrom when a new one is out. If you notice the Diamond seems future proof with an accelerometer etc. SE should push to make it future proof especially when its competition is future proof in the form of the Diamond/Raphael/HTC products, although its not really competition as HTC earns for every X1 sold
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3. Here is ahy only 16bpp is supported for WM devices, and it should be similar for WM7 if I am not mistaken, link :
http://blogs.msdn.com/windows[....]archive/2005/09/07/462187.aspx
4. Usually the screens wrt hardware are capable of displaying 18bpp, although the software renders in 16bpp only.
5. No idea
6. I suggest you wait it out a bit, where OS power is concerned I think Android is the way to go, very efficent use of hardware, with Quake working at 30fps on an underclocked MSM7200 processor, and the OS supports OpenGL. APX2500 based phones will be awesome but sdaly the first ones based on the APX2500 processor should be out Q3 2009, so that can be your next phone
. Lets see what WM7 has to offer as well, its too early to judge whats going to happen. But by December I know 1 thing for sure, the X1 sure wont be the "monster" it is today
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Posted: 2008-05-27 16:57:04
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Thanks aksd for your valuable insight,
Dilemma dilemma, Thanks for explaining about the screen resolution, Is there going to be another version of the apx2500?
I love the 500mW 700mW TDP of the SnapDragon Processor thats is Ground Breaking, thats means it be using a smaller battery (lol) power to weight ratio, can you image your fone with a HDMI port, apparantely qualcomm are saying that they will have full encode and decode 1080p in theses devices,
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Posted: 2008-05-27 17:17:33
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http://www.engadget.com/2008/[....]equpped-willcom-03-smartphone/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vwrpk_FQiQ&feature=related
This post is for WhyBe who kept on saying why hasn’t anyone released anything similar or better than the Xperia X1. Well, this is out in July. And I know the chipset isn’t Qualcomm, but then again it has a built in TV tuner and is out next month!
[ This Message was edited by: imranbashir on 2008-05-27 16:54 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-27 17:31:25
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We are going OT now aren't we
Anyway Qualcomms solutions need to be implemented wholly first dont they
(look at the TyTn II fiasco).
I expected Snapdragon out this year, thats what HTC said last year, and the Nvidia processor as well gets my pulse racing
BTW ANy link to the 1080p info? I thought it was 720p? I must have been mistaken though.
@imran
Using the PXA270 processor though
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[ This Message was edited by: aksd on 2008-05-27 16:36 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-27 17:35:18
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@aksd
I'd go for the X1 anyday, even if the panels is bloated, I can disable it and I'll have a full 256MB of RAM to play with wheeeeeeeeeee!
Then you lose the touch UI and back to stylus. duh. Come to think of it SE can release the X1 now without the panel software. (...and instead of spending bucketload of money to ready the panel software, maybe SE can spend some lose change to secretly fund WM crackers to ready a cooked ROM with TouchFlo 3D that is compatible with X1).
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Posted: 2008-05-27 17:45:12
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