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On 2008-05-28 22:36:57, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-05-28 21:46:21, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
Yes it is, and i have pointed out in the relevant thread this will be available months before the X1. Also it is very likely to be in various Network branded versions to so just who will buy the X1 later and Sim Free? is the biggest question.
Business users are used to getting there devices subsidized or free so i really doubt they will want to pay for a Sim Free X1 at a premium price. This i think besides it coming to market later is going to be it's biggest hurdle to over come and be successful. As really there are just not enough SE fans that are going to be willing to buy it sim free as opposed to heavily subsidized by a Network.
Unfortunately this goes for the US to where HTC also have carrier branded and subsidized versions that again will be available months before the X1. I really can't see carriers carrying a device so similar to one they already have.
Marc
Well, I will for one. I don't expect to get X1 subsidized because I didn't get my p910 that way either. I'm also looking into getting the X1i, as opposed to the X1a to remove the video framerate restriction. I believe the HSDPA band in my area (2100) will work with the 'i' version.
There are obviously going to be contenders to the X1 as we have seen in this thread. But for me, the magic formula
for me to choose any device is features, relative small size and sexiness. I need all three. I'll check out the Raphael and Diamond when my at&t buddy starts carrying them around, but, I doubt if they will have the appeal to me the way X1 does. I like the "complete package" supposedly being offered by
. So I don't mind
waiting for the U.S. Christmas season to release the X1.
Sry but no device can be "sexy"...
Only Humans can ;]
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Posted: 2008-05-28 22:49:09
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Sry but no device can be "sexy"...
Only Humans can ;]
So, I'll take the Lamborghini while you drive the bus
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Posted: 2008-05-28 23:06:03
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@WhyBe
I have no idea why you brought the N95 into the conversation but the E90 i have has a 4" inch screen and the video quality in H.264 is nothing short of stunning. Actually you are wrong 3gp is meant for the constraints of a mobile, which is why nearly every mobile supports it but not the better quality H.264. so I'm afraid you have that the wrong way round.
OK so you are going to happy to drop a load of $$$$'s for an X1 but do you really think businesses are? or even your average WM smart phone user who is used to getting their devices subsidized? of course assuming they will wait the extra months for the X1 to arrive.
I am not bashing the X1 just pointing out that it has some serious competition to over come and especially on price.
Marc
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Posted: 2008-05-28 23:28:12
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On 2008-05-28 23:28:12, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
...Actually you are wrong 3gp is meant for the constraints of a mobile, which is why nearly every mobile supports it but not the better quality H.264. so I'm afraid you have that the wrong way round.
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No, you read it backwards.
You just repeated what I said.
I have no idea why you brought the N95 into the conversation but the E90 i have has a 4" inch screen and the video quality in H.264 is nothing short of stunning.
I thought someone pointed out the N95 as the video champ. Well anyways, the e90 appears to be the equivalent in video to the X1-->VGA @ 30fps. X1 does mp4 and h.263 all at 30fps. It does h.264 @ 15fps. So what's the difference between X1 and e90 video besides display size?
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Posted: 2008-05-28 23:50:42
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On 2008-05-28 23:06:03, WhyBe wrote:
Sry but no device can be "sexy"...
Only Humans can ;]
So, I'll take the Lamborghini while you drive the bus
So the Lambo can sex u up?
Sry I fail to get your point.
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Posted: 2008-05-29 00:39:25
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Getting a Lambo to sex you up would be painful let alone a bus.
HTC Raphael is very similar to the X1 but will be out before and the TouchFlo looks faster, more stable and more impressive than the X1 panels. Its a matter of opinion as to which you would buy but I would go for the HTC personally.
Since HTC and SE worked together to make the X1, you could always see HTC making their own version. Its like having dinner with your worst enemy, they have probobly p*ssed in your drink and will have a knife ready for when you turn your back.
X1 on UIQ would be excellent since there is nothing like it on the market with those specs.
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Posted: 2008-05-29 01:11:56
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On 2008-05-29 00:39:25, S4k1s wrote:
On 2008-05-28 23:06:03, WhyBe wrote:
Sry but no device can be "sexy"...
Only Humans can ;]
So, I'll take the Lamborghini while you drive the bus
So the Lambo can sex u up?
Sry I fail to get your point.
If I have to explain, then there's no hope for you
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Posted: 2008-05-29 02:24:27
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On 2008-05-28 23:50:42, WhyBe wrote:
I thought someone pointed out the N95 as the video champ. Well anyways, the e90 appears to be the equivalent in video to the X1-->VGA @ 30fps. X1 does mp4 and h.263 all at 30fps. It does h.264 @ 15fps. So what's the difference between X1 and e90 video besides display size?
well, N95/8G, N82, N93 all rec 30fps video at VGA resolution but at a much higher (5 times) bitrate giving much better video/sound quality than X1 h.263 low bitrate format.
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Posted: 2008-05-29 03:50:17
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On 2008-05-29 03:50:17, mib1800 wrote:
On 2008-05-28 23:50:42, WhyBe wrote:
I thought someone pointed out the N95 as the video champ. Well anyways, the e90 appears to be the equivalent in video to the X1-->VGA @ 30fps. X1 does mp4 and h.263 all at 30fps. It does h.264 @ 15fps. So what's the difference between X1 and e90 video besides display size?
well, N95/8G, N82, N93 all rec 30fps video at VGA resolution but at a much higher (5 times) bitrate giving much better video/sound quality than X1 h.263 low bitrate format.
That means the powerVr GPU used was more powerful than the video accelerator integrated in the Qualcomm CPU. anyway if only Qualcomm utilized a separate ATi chip then the results will not be likely what is going on
especially since Ati M100 chip has been for a while now.
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Posted: 2008-05-29 04:49:43
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On 2008-05-29 03:50:17, mib1800 wrote:
On 2008-05-28 23:50:42, WhyBe wrote:
I thought someone pointed out the N95 as the video champ. Well anyways, the e90 appears to be the equivalent in video to the X1-->VGA @ 30fps. X1 does mp4 and h.263 all at 30fps. It does h.264 @ 15fps. So what's the difference between X1 and e90 video besides display size?
well, N95/8G, N82, N93 all rec 30fps video at VGA resolution but at a much higher (5 times) bitrate giving much better video/sound quality than X1 h.263 low bitrate format.
What are those bitrates for the Nokias? What are the X1's bitrates for mp4, h.264 and h.263?
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Posted: 2008-05-29 05:13:12
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