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On 2008-05-29 17:24:12, WhyBe wrote:
Well, I'll be interested in seeing how all of this looks on the devices. If the e90 has the CPU power to implement h.264 @ vga @ 30 fps
and at a respectable bitrate, then that's one powerful beast.
@All
How many smartphones do you guys go through in a year?
I have just checked videos taken with my N82 and N95. For typical video taken in daylight, the bitrate varies from 2300 to 3000 kbps. Low light video bitrate is higher. In comparison, 3gp video taken by the K850 has bitrate of about 100kbps.
X1 camera/multimedia/video rec is lagging behind not just the 2 year old N95 but also the 3 year old N93
. I also have a feeling that the music quality of X1 will also lag behind N95/N82. The only thing going for X1 is just the WVGA screen. Sorry to burst your X1 bubble.
Unlike dogmann or aksd, I am more "faithful" to my phones.
For the past 2 years, I have bought 3 phones: the Atom, N95-1 and now the N82. My current main phone is the N82 and before that it was N95-1. The Atom is mainly a "explore & play" phone. Intending to buy the Diamond to replace the atom.
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2008-05-29 17:25 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-29 18:16:44
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On 2008-05-29 17:52:59, WhyBe wrote:
I sort of figured an addiction problem
Not really
, the two EZX phones I got on a fraction of the original price from Motorola. I wanted to know what Symbian phones were like so I got two of them, sold them in a months time as I was'nt happy with them, did'nt loose any money on them, you can do that if you have the right connections
. The UIQ was baiscally for my grand dad, he loves UIQ
, and I settled down with the TyTn II which is WM, and I think I'll use it for a while now, needs a housing change due to some R&D work gone wrong, otherwise in good condition
. Still have both EZX phones as they're more for development purposes
. Like Dogmann I'm still undecided on my next phone, maybe WM maybe Android, the newer gen phones just dont justify the expenditure.
@Marc
WM does'nt use more processing power
, it might have more background processes running and the video recording is'nt really dependant on the processor if a GPU exists, its for the non GPU handsets that video quality is propotional to processor speed.
@mib
Dont make me laugh, music quality with the MSM processors blows away any Nokia except maybe the N91. The MSM processor has 2 DSPs which work well, this couple with software enhancemnt such as SRS, leaves the N95 and N82 in the dust. I've extensively tested the N95 8GB with the TyTn II and taken 2nd and 3rd opinons as well the TyTn II wins hands down. The speakers on the N95 are better though.
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Posted: 2008-05-29 18:23:43
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On 2008-05-29 17:59:38, Dogmann wrote:
@Whybe
As i explained no one really uses 30fps as that is just not necessary as most films and TV shows are only encoded @23/24fps so increasing the frame rate gives no advantage other than increasing the likelihood of it being out of sync.
Well done you have just realised that the the E90 is one of the most powerful Symbian smart phones and as you put it one powerful beast.
As Symbian requires far less processing power then WM so the 330mhz OMAP 2420 is more than enough. Now add to that the PowerVR MBX graphics processor and yes it plays converted films and TV shows perfectly @ 800x352 in full screen on the E90 with no dropped frames stutter or out of sync audio. It also plays H.264 natively in Real Player no need to buy or use a 3rd party player either.
That is why i have stated it is better than what the X1 will be able to do and why the X1 doesn't eat every other device out there especially when it comes to Multimedia.
Well so far this year i have only had a N95 8Gb for the first two weeks as had that since November and then my E90 since 8th January. Plus i had an iPhone but put that back in the box after 3 days and sold it as just didn't enjoy using a touchscreen and found it annoying. In the previous 16 months i had a P910, M600, N70, N73, N93, TyTn, E61, N95, N95 8GB which is 9 but i have now slowed down my addiction to getting new devices. So although i may try either a BB Bold or Android device this year I'm not planning on getting rid of my E90. As i will use my upgrade for one of those and just sell it after a while.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-29 17:12 ]
Personally, I don't judge a phone based on its ability to playback or record video. I just don't have the time to watch movies, or make them, on my phone. If I'm not at work I'm with my family and using a dedicated camcorder to record things. Maybe you guys have more free time, or commute to work by train, if so, good for you!
I am going to make my decision on which phone I buy based on how well it runs productivity software (office suites), user interface, and speed/quality of internet experience.
I would get an E90 if it had US 3G, in fact it is probably the only non-touchscreen smartphone I would buy based on its superior navigation tools. As things stand the X1 may very well be my next phone if it is not delayed too long.
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Posted: 2008-05-29 22:56:04
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On 2008-05-29 18:23:43, aksd wrote:
@Marc
...and the video recording is'nt really dependant on the processor if a GPU exists, its for the non GPU handsets that video quality is propotional to processor speed.
@aksd
Do GPU's execute video codecs too (video compression and decompression) or are these computations left to the CPU?...in the e90?...in the X1??
@Dogmann
I'd be interested in learning about the detailed X1i video specs for it's highest and lowest quality formats. For recording, I'd prefer 30fps at full VGA. I'm really doubting the e90's ability to do realtime VGA @ 30 fps @ full h.264 spec. I suspect, at
that frame rate and resolution you are actually getting 3gp or some sort of compromise on full h.264.
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Posted: 2008-05-29 23:06:39
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@WhyBe
No it's not 3gp or a comprised H.264 what ever that may be and was the the amazing thing about the N93 when launched. As it was the first to be able to record 30fps VGA in H.264 it was also the first to offer a 3x Optical Zoom i know i had one when first released and that wasn't a small device either. But since then the OMAP2420 and PowerVR MBX have made there way into the N95, N95 8GB and E90 giving them all the amazing video recording and playback abilities. which is why such a big deal is made of it as not many other mobiles can do this.
Marc
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Posted: 2008-05-30 01:21:44
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On 2008-05-30 01:21:44, Dogmann wrote:
@WhyBe
...As it was the first to be able to record 30fps VGA in H.264 it was also the first to...
@Dogmann
Can you point me to this spec?
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Posted: 2008-05-30 01:55:39
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Video Compression and playback etc. is handled by the GPU on the E90 and on the X1 EMEA/WWE version, not sure about the US version though.
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Posted: 2008-05-30 03:46:12
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What up?
Has anyone seen on tha whitepaper that tha video camera doesnt have a digital zoom?
Peace
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Posted: 2008-05-30 09:06:30
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On 2008-05-30 09:06:30, d-southwest wrote:
What up?
Has anyone seen on tha whitepaper that tha video camera doesnt have a digital zoom?
Peace
Digital zoom on VGA video?...
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Posted: 2008-05-30 11:02:08
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On 2008-05-30 11:02:08, WhyBe wrote:
On 2008-05-30 09:06:30, d-southwest wrote:
What up?
Has anyone seen on tha whitepaper that tha video camera doesnt have a digital zoom?
Peace
Digital zoom on VGA video?...
Yes do you know something about that?
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Posted: 2008-05-30 11:05:56
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