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@VIT
those shots look great.. what settings did you use for them? (specifically the last 2)
Did you have to make a lot of manual setting changes to be able to produce these shots?
I am looking for the the driver that obviously produces the best images, but also one that has the right balance between auto & manual controls vs picture quality.
So far DM3.8
for me is the right balance between auto & manual control vs image quality.. but if your driver can produce better images without needing to fiddle with manual settings too much, I will certainly give it a shot.
I have tried CBE4.1, and taken some shots on AUTO settings, and I wasn't really impressed with the results compared to DM3.5/3.8.
Have you made any modifications to picture quality when auto settings are used, because many times I just need to take a quick shot and don't have time to play with a lot of different settings before I am ready to shoot.
thanks again for taking the time to make the C905 better!!
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-16 20:56 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-16 21:41:18
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@VIT
Nice shot. I am going to test your driver later.
I have several questions :
1. Manual shutter speed wasn't included. I am assume the driver will select the lowest shutter speed setting available for the phone if I choose twilight landscape or landscape scene. Is that correct?
2.If I want to shot during bright day, I just simply select any scenes but twilight landscape/landscape OR just using AUTO mode?
3.Can you explain more about how to use the other 2 settings ( saturation and color)? on DM, you just need to select color correction, but your driver might be able to produce more vivid color by customizing the saturation and color setting.
Thanks.
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Posted: 2009-11-16 21:59:37
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On 2009-11-16 21:41:18, jake20 wrote:
@VIT
those shots look great.. what settings did you use for them? (specifically the last 2)
Did you have to make a lot of manual setting changes to be able to produce these shots?
I am looking for the the driver that obviously produces the best images, but also one that has the right balance between auto & manual controls vs picture quality.
So far DM3.8
for me is the right balance between auto & manual control vs image quality.. but if your driver can produce better images without needing to fiddle with manual settings too much, I will certainly give it a shot.
I have tried CBE4.1, and taken some shots on AUTO settings, and I wasn't really impressed with the results compared to DM3.5/3.8.
Have you made any modifications to picture quality when auto settings are used, because many times I just need to take a quick shot and don't have time to play with a lot of different settings before I am ready to shoot.
thanks again for taking the time to make the C905 better!!
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-16 20:56 ]
Pics 1, 3 and 4 were taken with the help of some of these manual controls. I've played with Color Tuning 1 & 2 before taking them. I did that because I thought that the WB presets did not provide accurate results for those scenarios. I am almost completely satisfied with this new driver. It offers some flexibility without being too complicated. I guess that if I manage to add one new scene with an even slower shutter speed for better night shots I'll be completely pleased. I guess I'll replace a scene like beach/snow with this new one.
As for sheer picture quality in terms of JPEG size, it's the same as DM 3.5. Some pics go even beyond 6 Mb of size. If you intend to use it everyday in Auto mode then I guess it's up for the job. At least to my personal taste it seems to offer accurate colors, sharpness and contrast.
I am still waiting for the final DM 3.8 in order to check out how DM has managed to include manual shutter for non-flash shots. He's a great modder and I do not intend to compete with him. I'm just sharing some of my simple experiments with you.
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Posted: 2009-11-16 22:16:50
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On 2009-11-16 21:59:37, fe1ixs wrote:
@VIT
Nice shot. I am going to test your driver later.
I have several questions :
1. Manual shutter speed wasn't included. I am assume the driver will select the lowest shutter speed setting available for the phone if I choose twilight landscape or landscape scene. Is that correct?
2.If I want to shot during bright day, I just simply select any scenes but twilight landscape/landscape OR just using AUTO mode?
3.Can you explain more about how to use the other 2 settings ( saturation and color)? on DM, you just need to select color correction, but your driver might be able to produce more vivid color by customizing the saturation and color setting.
Thanks.
1. If you have manual settings OFF in Twilight Landscape then you may adjust EV to +2.0 in order to get the longer exposure for that scene. If you select one of the manual settings then EV will no longer do that, because now adjusting EV values will change values for that specific manual feature;
2. I'd suggest you to use Auto or Landscape (Landscape if you want to use manual focus) and adjust colors with Color Tuning;
3. Try them out. It's the best way to discover their effects. Increasing saturation will provide more vivid images (although I do not like that much all that 'vividness'), and Color Tuning will provide more accurate colors if you face complex scenarios. You can change their values by changing EV values as you normally do when you want to change Exposure Compensation.
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Posted: 2009-11-16 22:34:42
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On 2009-11-16 22:34:42, Vit wrote:
On 2009-11-16 21:59:37, fe1ixs wrote:
@VIT
Nice shot. I am going to test your driver later.
I have several questions :
1. Manual shutter speed wasn't included. I am assume the driver will select the lowest shutter speed setting available for the phone if I choose twilight landscape or landscape scene. Is that correct?
2.If I want to shot during bright day, I just simply select any scenes but twilight landscape/landscape OR just using AUTO mode?
3.Can you explain more about how to use the other 2 settings ( saturation and color)? on DM, you just need to select color correction, but your driver might be able to produce more vivid color by customizing the saturation and color setting.
Thanks.
1. If you have manual settings OFF in Twilight Landscape then you may adjust EV to +2.0 in order to get the longer exposure for that scene. If you select one of the manual settings then EV will no longer do that, because now adjusting EV values will change values for that specific manual feature;
2. I'd suggest you to use Auto or Landscape (Landscape if you want to use manual focus) and adjust colors with Color Tuning;
3. Try them out. It's the best way to discover their effects. Increasing saturation will provide more vivid images (although I do not like that much all that 'vividness'), and Color Tuning will provide more accurate colors if you face complex scenarios. You can change their values by changing EV values as you normally do when you want to change Exposure Compensation.
@VIT
Ok. I understand now how the exposure adjustment work in auto setting. The camera will adjust the shutter speed accordingly when we set the EV value, correct? But, for example if I set my camera to twilight landscape and I want manual focus as well, how I can be able to adjust the shutter speed/exposure? I thought It would be beneficial to have shutter speed manual in place of color setting. I found myself the auto color is good enough to do this job. to enhance the color, we can just increase the saturation a bit.
Here is samples shot from EMS driver:
Twilight landscape, focus EV +2.0, all other AUTO
Twilight landscape, focus EV +2.0, saturation +2.0

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[ This Message was edited by: fe1ixs on 2009-11-16 22:17 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-16 23:05:40
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I also agree that it would be much more usefull to have a shutter control than color tuning.
But for me DM3.8 seems to be VERY accurate with colors.
[ This Message was edited by: jake20 on 2009-11-17 19:26 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-17 00:55:44
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we certainly have a great choice of drivers available now
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Posted: 2009-11-17 11:59:46
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On 2009-11-17 00:55:44, jake20 wrote:
I also agree that it would be much more usefull to have a shutter control than color tuning.
But for me DM3.8 seems to be VERY accurate with colors.
That's not a particular hard situation to deal with. See that picture you took at the mall. Look at the orange. It's got way too much saturation. I guess that sometimes fine color tuning is better than having manual shutter speed control. Most of the times I don't need to have slower shutter speeds that I already have. Exposure times like 1/2 s, 1 s, 2 s... That's not different from what you can get either with my mixed drivers or with DM's earlier drivers. All you need is set the camera to Twilight Landscape mode. I haven't seen so far a really long exposure time shot here, something like 4s or 8s. Comparing shots taken with the same shutter speed but with different ISO values is not fair. ISO 200 may seem brighter, but certainly worse in terms of noise. What I have seen was pics taken with not too slow shutter and ISO 200. If I set ISO 200 instead of ISO 100 for Twilight Landscape, pictures would also look much brighter. Another thing is that almost all people here post very small pictures, and that way we cannot see detailed results in terms of pixel to pixel quality.
Jake, I've seen one comment of yours where you seemed amazed by a 1/2 s shutter speed (ISO 200) shot you've taken. Look at my pics @ the snooker bar. All of them have ISO 100, and many of them have shutter speeds of 1s. They are almost noise free. All I needed to do is set the camera to Twilight Landscape mode.
[ This Message was edited by: Vit on 2009-11-17 13:12 ]
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Posted: 2009-11-17 13:48:09
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DM 3.8
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Posted: 2009-11-17 15:24:31
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for me what is really missing in all drivers is forced flash!
dream on!
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Posted: 2009-11-17 16:15:18
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