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@G-Izzat
I have to disagree whilst SE as a joint venture is only some 5 years old now, Ericsson has been around for a very long time and they didn't throw out all their knowledge and capacity for innovation just because they joined forces with Sony. Although maybe that is what they did do after all, they were more than able announce a ground breaking device back in 2005 the P990 it is only what they delivered that let them down the concept was brilliant at the time. The problem is since then there hardware has failed to advance at all, an extra 64mb Ram can hardly be classed as an advancement especially as this is a necessity.
Hopefully the next set of devices will buck this trend and really show some major improvements in hardware i really hope so, i want nothing more than a device to blow me away and that i aspire to and it's about time SE delivered one for all of us.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 14:33:49
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On 2007-10-25 14:33:49, Dogmann wrote:
@G-Izzat
I have to disagree whilst SE as a joint venture is only some 5 years old now, Ericsson has been around for a very long time and they didn't throw out all their knowledge and capacity for innovation just because they joined forces with Sony. Although maybe that is what they did do after all, they were more than able announce a ground breaking device back in 2005 the P990 it is only what they delivered that let them down the concept was brilliant at the time. The problem is since then there hardware has failed to advance at all, an extra 64mb Ram can hardly be classed as an advancement especially as this is a necessity.
Hopefully the next set of devices will buck this trend and really show some major improvements in hardware i really hope so, i want nothing more than a device to blow me away and that i aspire to and it's about time SE delivered one for all of us.
[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-25 13:34 ]
Yeah, they are having problems in upgrading the specs on their smartphones.
But this topic really doesn't do justice to Sony Ericsson. They've done quite well this year. I don't know how's the P1i is selling right now, but if they've gotten that out in the first place, and not making the M600 and P990, I'm sure it would've been a best seller.
I admit, Sony Ericsson is a bit late in the Smartphone category. And also the K850, which is just a bit late this year. Should've come out much sooner.
Hopefully they'll announce some new and high quality product which would attract customers on the 6th of November.
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Posted: 2007-10-25 14:53:27
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On 2007-10-25 08:37:28, mib1800 wrote:
On 2007-10-25 01:03:24, max_wedge wrote:
but not on style or ergonomics or suitable features (everyone's needs for certain features differ) as these are open to interpretation.
BUT you are NOT!!!. One great example is your statement:- "N95 video rec is slightly better than K850". It is an undeniable fact that N95 video rec whoops K850 ass but yet you are still in denial.
I meant in terms of image quality not resolution. There is bad pixelation on video for example, hardly the "close to DVD" quality that Dogmann claims?? I mean really, close to DVD quality?? The VGA recording is much better than other phones on the market (when you consider the resolution) but this IS NOT DVD quality, it is still just a gimmick.
On 2007-10-25 05:55:46, mario2004 wrote:
@Max I bothered to look thru your posts you've made ages ago and I must say you contradict yourself here and there. But I guess that's ok. Everyone will change his/hers opinion as time 'changes'. The thing is you change you opinion to make SE look particularly good when they clearly aren't. People like 'ARES' are very silent this days when it comes to bashing Nokia. You on the other hand are still trumpeting SE's "hi-end" phones. (if one can talk about SE and hi-end). Even more, you get very 'agitated' if one does put the 'facts on the table'. You'll meticulously give long and twisted answers trying to defend the undefendable. This things make people think, you are a 'true' SE fanboy - if you accept/like it or not. Sorry bud.
It's you who can't accept any opposition to your view that SE are "undefendable". Whoever looks at a spec list and says "this phone is better" needs to recognise the real world for a change. It's you view that SE are undefendable, not mine and I don't see why having a different opinion about this makes me a fanboy?
I have never once "trumpeted" se phones. That's only how you see it because of your anit-SE attitude. Nothing SE does is good enough for you, so you will always see SE as a failure.
The prime example, among a couple of others, is the issue of touchscreen. You completely dismiss the validity of the touchscreen as an advanced feature of SE phones that is not present in Nokia business phones, as if it was a non-issue, then expect me to accept your argument that SE has no leading edge tech and are therefore "undefendable"?
I'm not the only one who likes touchscreens, and SE actually have recognised this in their consumer focus groups, otherwise they would have dropped it ages ago. SE KNOW they have a loyal pda user segment who would walk completely if they dropped touchscreens. Yet you completely dismiss touchscreens because YOU don't like them. This is exactly the bias you accuse me of.
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Posted: 2007-10-26 01:33:50
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On 2007-10-25 13:59:46, Dogmann wrote:
"The output is still poorly pixelated on movement and detail (particularly foliage), colour is as bad as the still camera, and tbh no single camera phone on the market yet has video suitable for displaying on a TV screen. The N95 cmos sensor doesn't do the vga resolution justice at all imho."
Which lets be honest whilst it may be in his honest opinion is just not supported by the facts is it. As i said above it may not be DVD quality but it is not far off.
instead of telling me to accept you words as fact, can you PLEASE show me where you found N95 videos that are close to DVD quality?? Please because the videos I have seen are NO WHERE NEAR DVD quality, and that's a fact. Infact most home handy cams are far better. ie: it's a gimmick.
He also continues to try and make his point with this statement
" I am arguing no phone on the market yet does useful video recording. K850 in my view doesn't need VGA recording as VGA recording is still just a gimmick."
Which is rather strange considering how these devices made news for being the first to offer this along with all the positive reviews and user experiences. Of first the N93 the first device to be able to offer this, and then the N93i and N95.
Being the first to bring out vga recording in a camera phone in no way "proves" that the VGA recording is anywhere near as good as DVD quality. All it shows is that people are impressed for a CAMERA PHONE to be able to fo what it does. Compare against a mid-range handycam and then tell me it's good video.
But this is his opinion and obviously he is entitled to it but to suggest what he meant is it is just below 30fps or DVD quality is just not correct. As if he had stated it was below DVD quality i would of agreed as i would imagine would everyone else. Unfortuantly this is not what Max has claimed which is why we have not agreed with him. If you are going to support what some ones opinion is and what they have said perhaps you should check exactly what that is first.
ah, when did I claim any phone was DVD quality? Or even "near DVD quality"? What I'm trying to say is that no phone even approaches DVD quality recording, and infact it's a long long reach to suggest that they do.
The fact you interpret me as saying the opposite leads me to seriously suspect that you are over-reacting to my posts without even giving me the consideration of reading what I say. I don't want to think that, but I can't see how else to interpret you believing that I have ever claimed that either K850 OR N95 have even close to DVD quality. Because I have never thought this for even a second.
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Posted: 2007-10-26 01:56:44
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On 2007-10-25 14:33:49, Dogmann wrote:
Hopefully the next set of devices will buck this trend and really show some major improvements in hardware i really hope so, i want nothing more than a device to blow me away and that i aspire to and it's about time SE delivered one for all of us.
Marc
Dogmann, whilst we disagree on many areas, I 100% agree with your sentiment behind this statement. I don't agree SE are "undefendable" as Mario put's it, but I do agree it will be nice once SE get back to doing smartphones better than anyone else.
I like SE current smartphones, and get sick of having to justify the fact that I do like them. I don't feel passionately as you do that they have failed us in the smartphone arena. I do think they still make great smartphones, despite the failings they have (all phones have failings or disadvantages).
But that doesn't mean I don't want to see SE climb back on top of the smartphone heap. It would be great if P1 had wifi g, it would be great if W960 was to have HSDPA. I understand and accept the sentiment.
But why oh why does the lack of these features make people so angry with SE?? I mean it's a phone for god's sake, not world peace.
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Posted: 2007-10-26 02:08:20
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Also Mode don't think it is a little rich you accusing Mario of being a Nokia Fan Boy when you exhibit exactly the same if not stronger support for SE or are you an SE Fan Boy? and don't find being called one insulting?
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-25 13:24 ]
Actually Marc, no, I don't mind you or any of you here calling me a fanboy because that's what I am and I'm proud of it. Loyalty is actually something rare in this day and age. Stated this a few times before if you'd bother to check my posts. Though my loyalty's running thin, just like a marriage you don't abandon one at the first sign of trouble SE has been good to me all this while. Don't say I'm not tempted right now because I'm so tempted by Samsung ATM, but I'm still going to rough it out and see how much longer SE is going to keep up their crap. But back to what you mentioned, mario2004's tone was demeaning suggesting it's a bad thing to be called a fanboy so I ask, would he mind if something bad is hurled towards him instead. It's a fair question right,even though it doesn't concern me
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Posted: 2007-10-26 02:34:07
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@Max
Well conversely please direct me to where i can see all those poor quality pix elated Video's taken from the N93.N93i and N95. As i previously pointed out go to all About Symbian and download Steve Litchfield Podcasts as all of these stopped being recorded on a handy cam and have been produced with a N93 since he got that device.
Do you really think a journalist that writes both for magazines and Forums would use a N93 if it produced poor qaulity pix elated Video. Unfortuantly i lost all the Video i had shot with my N93 when my Sony Laptop required a reformat, that will teach me not to back up.
I have owned two of the above three devices so know how they perform just what are you basing your findings on, please don't tell me You Tube because that will be to funny for words.
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"ah, when did I claim any phone was DVD quality? Or even "near DVD quality"? "
Max maybe you should of read what i said properly before making this comment as firstly it was to correct Mode on his assumption of what you may of meant and secondly i never said you did.
Which makes this next line even funnier as yet again you are happy to accuse me of something i have not done but exactly what you have done strange that isn't it.
"The fact you interpret me as saying the opposite leads me to seriously suspect that you are over-reacting to my posts without even giving me the consideration of reading what I say."
This unfortunately is something you do the a lot of the time over react not just this but you also seem to accuse others of the behaviours you exhibit. Maybe this is something you should look at before accusing others of doing.
Just to clear things up i never claimed you did say anything about DVD quality video not once so your last point is with out merit check what i actually said rather than what you think or want me to have said.
Your last post makes no sense as i never said you can't like or even buy them if you wish, but what i do say is they are lacking in tech which makes them very expensive for what they are.
The very simple reason why people moan is they are paying premium prices for these devices and not getting value for money, also many people unlike you don't see these things as unnecessary but very necessary.
Especially when for the same money many manufacturers offer what they want just not SE, SE used to lead in this filed but not since 2005 have they even announced a smart phone that is on par Tech wise with what other manufacturers are delivering and no not just Nokia either and that is the point and that's not even taking into account how buggy these devices have been. Yes all devices seem to have some bugs but SE seem to both have more and take much longer to release Firmware updates that fix them.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-26 01:46 ]
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This thread is depressing...
In a non-friendly kinda way.
And for Esato non-friendliness is a huge no-no.
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Posted: 2007-10-26 02:50:00
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@NightBlade
Not really sure i agree with you it is relatively civilised i have definitely seen worse, just differences of opinion and few misunderstandings is all really i don't think it is that bad otherwise I'm sure Masseur would of called a halt to it by now.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-26 01:57 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-26 02:56:57
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Nuh, nuh, nuh, you don't get it.
I don't mean some kind of flame war. I mean, like a 6-year-old would say, non-...rainbow-y.
Get it?
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Posted: 2007-10-26 03:09:58
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