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Btw boto I couldn't find you on the list of candidates to EU parliament! How can we vote for you than? ;-) Somebody said: Capitalism isn't good system, but we don't have better now... :-l
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Posted: 2004-05-22 14:42:15
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You are correct in saying that we should get back on topic, but before I do I would like to make a few final points. You state that you have more police than ever, but this isn't a bad thing, in fact it is a good thing as long as there are laws defining what the police can and cannot do and to protect the rights of the people. The issue I raised was that the communist regimes had secret police forces, which were pretty much given a free hand to do as they wished.
I would agree with those of you who criticise the bombing of civilians, but unfortunately these things happen in wars, mistakes are made. This isn't to say that it is fine for a few civilians to die in a war, but it is being realistic. I for one am glad that NATO intervened in the Balkans, the situation is far more stable now than it was, although there is still a long way to go.
I for one like the European way of doing things, we don't have the extremes of the U.S. where people have to pay for medical care or such like. We should count our blessings that we live in a part of the world that is incredibly rich, even if that wealth hasn't been evenly distributed yet, and which is, for the most part, democratic and free.
I think that the EU itself can be seen to have accomplished much of Europe's present day success. The main problem in Europe has always been rivalries between the great powers i.e. Britain, France, and Germany and at one time Spain. What the EU has done is to make these nations work together and as a result we have had the greatest period of growth and success in Europe since the heyday of the Roman Empire.
The former communist countries have a long way to go before they reach Western standards of development, but at the very least they are now able to do so in a climate of friendship and support.
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@Atlis how did you search for me .I am there! Check all first name Boris.
I dont supose to be EU parliament - I am afraid. You dont have to vote
for me.
@Scot finally end.
PPL what do u think if we organize Europe esatonians meeting.
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Posted: 2004-05-22 15:35:26
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@michka
'Standard of living' means the level at which people are able to live their lives. It take sinto account factors such as, salaryprice ratio, state of healthcare system and access to it, standard of education, social conditions, rule of law, etc
Sorry man, but this is only a materialistic view. How about human relations and culture?
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Quote:taxidriver in Brussels didn't know where Russia or China is...
Oh come one, please .......!!!!!
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Posted: 2004-05-22 16:16:46
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Yeah, and during my military service I worked in a US camp: some didn't know where Canada is.
Don't generalize, man.
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Posted: 2004-05-22 16:23:56
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Scotsboyuk, What you want on nato bombarding Yugoslavia? NOTHING, you are watching on TV BBC, SKY NEWS... nato bombarding, bat of course that is falsehood, BBC, SKY NEWS HIDE TRUTH!!!
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Posted: 2004-05-22 16:24:24
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@michka- that's the point I've also been making- taking into account family values and crime thats committed- is life in these eastern bloc countries better than the richer uk? @boto, @atlis etc. what do you think?
Apologies btw if l'm slightly off topic
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Posted: 2004-05-22 17:39:00
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On 2004-05-22 16:07:14, michka wrote:
Sorry man, but this is only a materialistic view. How about human relations and culture?
I mentioned social conditions in my explanation e.g. culture and traditions, religious policies, etc
@ Vojo
I am in favour of military intervention when it is necessary. Serbian and Montenegrian forces had been fighting each other in an increasingly bitter conflict that threatened to turn into another all out Balklan conflict. NATO intervened because the Montenegrian people were caught up in the conflict, peace and the rule of law had to be restored.
In my opinion the powerful nations of the world have a duty to protect the weak. The Serbian regime was a nationalistic government intent on keeping what was left of Yugoslavia together by any means necessary. I think NATO was quite right to intervene when it did, we must learn from our mistakes, just look at the Rhineland in 1936 or the Sudatenland in 1939, we stood by and let it all happen.
Your point regarding the media is an important one, but a bit of a generalisation. The television media in the UK is, on the whole, fair. The BBC in particular is regarded as being one of the most impartial media organisations in the world. The recent judicial critcism of the BBC was reported on by the BBC in a very honest and open manner. The newspapers are the really manipulative media and have overt political agendas, thankfully most people take them with a pinch of salt.
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Iraq bombarding 1-2weeks, Avganistan 2-3 weeks, and Yugoslaviu 78 days
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