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I don’t like iPhone’s apart from its looks and I would not own one for a number of reasons, but lets not forget the point I am making. And that is that the iPhone has set the benchmark by which ALL new smart or superphones will be judged I am NOT saying it has the most features or is necessarily the best.
I mean - iPhone is not giving what people want.
iPhone is giving what people start to like once they touch it,
and that's a different story.
A: I would have to disagree that the iPhone does not give people what they want. It clearly does, that is why they sell so many in areas where HW recog is non essential so I simply cannot accept the iPhone is not giving users what they want, it clearly does.
Believe me or not, there are many features people
need on iPhones which are not available there.
And Apple does not deliver....
The thing is most of these are bought by people
who have never used this kind of device before.
If iPhone would not be a massive selling success
nobody would bother copying it.
A: I think you are confusing the people who just buy a phone and the “Phone Enthusiasts” here who have much higher expectations of what phones should offer; after all we are all spending time discussing a phone that we cannot even buy yet, some eher would never use a standard iPhone they would have to jailbreak it, whilst most customers simply do not care! And manufacturers just want to have products that sell
We all know Linux apps are mostly much better than Windows apps but Windows is STILL the benchmark by which most personal computing is judged, Why? It sells more.
As for design: X10 is beautiful and it's not a copy of iPhone
in any way.
Sorry but design simplicity is not invented by any Apple.
A: I do not think I put my case very well on this issue! “Ugly Betty indeed”!! What I meant was Form factor you are correct and whilst I agree Apple did not invent good design they certainly put it too good use in their iPhone damn them!
I have to say I would prefer the X10 to look more sleek like the iPhone or Nexus I feel it looks a bit 1970’s and rather tacky with those chrome buttons and square blocky looks but that’s my taste
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2010-01-27 15:16 ]
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Posted: 2010-01-27 16:14:55
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The 1.6 vs 2.0/2.1 problem isnt so much in the feature list. There doesnt appear to be much in 2.0 that many people would find a deal breaker for the X10.
It is however a problem for average joe public who does not spend alot of time researching the differences between 1.6 and 2.0. By the time the X10 comes out there will be several phones out there sporting Android 2.0 and regardless of the actual difference that makes, people will see the X10 with android 1.6 and assume its old hat and assume that 1.6 is a big step back from 2.0
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Posted: 2010-01-27 17:22:44
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Studies have shown that the average user is more interested in what a phone does, rather than what version OS it's running. They don't particularly care.
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Posted: 2010-01-27 17:52:39
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But is "the average user" the target market for a device like the X10?
The real snag for me would not simply that it came with 1.6 out of the box, but that I'd never be able to update it myself (without completely jailbreaking and modding etc). Every time a new version of Android comes out, various other phones will be updated automagically with the latest whizz-bang features, and X10 owners will be left dangling - waiting for a custom version from SE that may never come.
With the iPhone I'm used to being able to update my phone literally the same day that Apple releases new software. The idea of having to wait for someone like SE to finish (or even start) fiddling around with it before I can get it gives me shudders. It's back to the bad old days of being locked into a branded handset that's always months or even years behind the generic version. If I was going for a different OS like Android, I'd never go for the X10 for that reason.
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Posted: 2010-01-27 18:07:56
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On 2010-01-27 18:07:56, Boinng wrote:
But is "the average user" the target market for a device like the X10?
The real snag for me would not simply that it came with 1.6 out of the box, but that I'd never be able to update it myself (without completely jailbreaking and modding etc). Every time a new version of Android comes out, various other phones will be updated automagically with the latest whizz-bang features, and X10 owners will be left dangling - waiting for a custom version from SE that may never come.
With the iPhone I'm used to being able to update my phone literally the same day that Apple releases new software. The idea of having to wait for someone like SE to finish (or even start) fiddling around with it before I can get it gives me shudders. It's back to the bad old days of being locked into a branded handset that's always months or even years behind the generic version. If I was going for a different OS like Android, I'd never go for the X10 for that reason.
Yes I think Sony Ericsson are after the "Average user" I see no reason why
would make a conscious decision to avoid the people who like the idea of an iPhone but don't want one they are the people I belive
and Google are out to attract with Android.
However if I worked in a phone shop and had lived through the P990 debacle, I would be less than keen to push a customer in the direction of an
handset if I could flog them a trouble free vanilla Android phone with similar features.
I think the problems for
will come when the person who has bought lets say the X10 suddenly finds they cant update over the air like their friend who bought the Nexus or Droid can.
Forget the views of people on ESATO they were prepared to persevere with the P990!!! and no matter what they say we LOVE playing with our phone toys, so mucking about getting FW updates and unlocking the ROM is their meat and potatoes! the majority of my mates just want their handset to look good and work out of the box, and if it gives them a free update "Like Windows does" so much the better.
The problem for me is like you, I simply cannot be arsed with all that anymore, but I don't want an iPhone
[ This Message was edited by: Nitro Fan on 2010-01-27 17:37 ]
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Posted: 2010-01-27 18:36:37
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This thread is going to be VERY interesting once this thing is out.
i hope the high hopes people have for it are met,as looking at some threads here at Esato, people are just so sure that this will be "The One".
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Posted: 2010-01-27 19:14:40
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMLNkVUB28k
very nice
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Posted: 2010-01-27 19:28:32
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Why wouldn't SE not provide updates for the X10 just because its Android? Why would the X10 be exempt from future fw upgrades?
And comparing it to an operator restricted fw is just silly. If anything they have added features to 1.6 rather than restricted, like Orange do with Track ID and Voda with bluetooth etc.
Anyway, has it been confirmed that SE won'tbe providing future upgrades to 2.0 or 2.1? because until it is then why enter into a discussion with such an assumption. Its all hot air until we know for sure.
I'd never consider an iphone - the cool factor went ages and ages ago. It's a boring old design that needs replacing badly and every Tom, Dick and Harry has got one. It's like Yaawwwwwn have you not moved on yet!
The X10 for me is something new and different to look forward to - when it eventually arrives.
[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2010-01-27 18:55 ]
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Posted: 2010-01-27 19:30:48
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surly the release of X10 in Japan will affect future SW upgrades? how big is the japanese mobile market ?, think if X10 becomes a huge hit there.
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Posted: 2010-01-27 19:34:52
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very nice video. UI looks fluid and smooth...
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Posted: 2010-01-27 19:38:57
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