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On 2007-05-26 11:20:03, sapporobaby wrote:
On 2007-05-26 10:05:05, mweb6161 wrote:
IMO this thread has served it's purpose with unsubstantiated fanboy rants from various quarters being the only recent contributions!!
You continue with this: "fanboy" rant. You drone on and on with this. Are you impaired? So what if people are passionate about their phones. That doesn't make them necessarily fanboys. That makes them loyal customers that are willing to overlook blatant flaws in their particular brand of mobile phone. Others are willing to change and search for phones that fit their needs and who's loyalty is only to something that works for them. You have shown throughout this thread that you have a penchant for misrepresenting statements that people make and putting your own myopic twist on it.
Two words: GROW UP.
Sticks and stones etc!!
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:07:39
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that will be enough personal comments here now please
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:10:51
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@dogmann
you say:
"The problem is even the devices they have so far announced don't have new enough specs to satisfy there existing customers that want and expect things like EDGDE, HSDPA. VGA 30fps Video recording and all the other things on their wish lists "
like i said in another thread, the 'average' customer doesnt care about features, they want a phone that just works! some will buy because of a brand name, or just to be trendy.... i know everyone in my family doesnt care for super video or hsdpa or edge, they wouldnt even know what is barely (of course they know what video recording is though) ... for me though its different, we are members on phone forums and our interest in mobile phones is far greater than the average customer.... of course, we/you expect more.... having said that though, there has been a slight increase in the number of 'average' customers who want better specs now-a-days, but the number who dont care is still far greater.... so to some extent, your post could be incorrect...
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:16:33
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On 2007-05-26 13:16:33, >500 wrote:
@dogmann
you say:
"The problem is even the devices they have so far announced don't have new enough specs to satisfy there existing customers that want and expect things like EDGDE, HSDPA. VGA 30fps Video recording and all the other things on their wish lists "
like i said in another thread, the 'average' customer doesnt care about features, they want a phone that just works! some will buy because of a brand name, or just to be trendy.... i know everyone in my family doesnt care for super video or hsdpa or edge, they wouldnt even know what is barely (of course they know what video recording is though) ... for me though its different, we are members on phone forums and our interest in mobile phones is far greater than the average customer.... of course, we/you expect more.... having said that though, there has been a slight increase in the number of 'average' customers who want better specs now-a-days, but the number who dont care is still far greater.... so to some extent, your post could be incorrect...
that is neither a reason nor an excuse for not making high-end phones. i agree that most consumers dont care about those features but there's an alarming number of those who do, and the sales of N95 show that.
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:19:46
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>500
I agree with what you say but as other devices appear with these specs and the Data market begins to grow more and more users will become aware of these things and not only expect but demand them.
But i do agree the majority of users still currently only want a phone that they can make calls from send SMS and maybe take a reasonable picture with but i really do believe this is starting to change as mobile Data is becoming affordable and the speeds mean the experience is no longer painful but enjoyable and offers real quality.
Marc
PS any news on getting my E61 houseing covered in Carbon Fibre by Gmask?
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-26 12:26 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:24:54
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On 2007-05-26 12:36:11, Dogmann wrote:
Any one that states there are no problem with any of SE's released devices is simply not living in the real world and ignoring the facts, and i am not just talking about UIQ3 devices either just read this and all the other SE based forums for the complaints that are plain for all to see.
And noone that states there are no problems with any of Nokias released devices is simply not living in the real world either.
You should be blaming SE's lack of TECHNOLOGICAL FEATURES rather than saying SE phones have problems - every brand has problems with their phones. We could be here all day picking at every problem each brand has!
SE cant keep up with the largest mobile phone company which has a huge market share that brings the cash to offer excellent technological offerings. Its pretty obvious.
If Nokia were only a company for 5 years, do you think they would offer everything that they have now? Would they have the same large market share?
[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2007-05-26 12:39 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:34:34
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On 2007-05-26 13:34:34, soane28 wrote:
On 2007-05-26 12:36:11, Dogmann wrote:
Any one that states there are no problem with any of SE's released devices is simply not living in the real world and ignoring the facts, and i am not just talking about UIQ3 devices either just read this and all the other SE based forums for the complaints that are plain for all to see.
And noone that states there are no problems with any of Nokias released devices is simply not living in the real world either.
You should be blaming SE's lack of TECHNOLOGICAL FEATURES rather than saying SE phones have problems - every brand has problems with their phones. We could be here all day picking at every problem each brand has!
SE cant keep up with the largest mobile phone company which has a huge market share that brings the cash to offer excellent technological offerings. Its pretty obvious.
[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2007-05-26 12:36 ]
SE has taken over motorolla in a number of countries, it has sold millions of K750s, K800 and its W series were a mega hit. Where is the money they earned from those going? In T650, S500 and other uninnovative models? Money is not an issue.
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:38:09
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On 2007-05-26 13:38:09, QVGA wrote:
On 2007-05-26 13:34:34, soane28 wrote:
On 2007-05-26 12:36:11, Dogmann wrote:
Any one that states there are no problem with any of SE's released devices is simply not living in the real world and ignoring the facts, and i am not just talking about UIQ3 devices either just read this and all the other SE based forums for the complaints that are plain for all to see.
And noone that states there are no problems with any of Nokias released devices is simply not living in the real world either.
You should be blaming SE's lack of TECHNOLOGICAL FEATURES rather than saying SE phones have problems - every brand has problems with their phones. We could be here all day picking at every problem each brand has!
SE cant keep up with the largest mobile phone company which has a huge market share that brings the cash to offer excellent technological offerings. Its pretty obvious.
[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2007-05-26 12:36 ]
SE has taken over motorolla in a number of countries, it has sold millions of K750s, K800 and its W series were a mega hit. Where is the money they earned from those going? In T650, S500 and other uninnovative models? Money is not an issue.
all their money are going into "uninnovative models" to get more money cos they are cheaper than high end models. Its like taking a step back to take a bigger step forward. More profit from mid end = more profit for high end phones. Thats y we havent seen anything high end this half of the year - because they are going to announce high end stuff later in the year once they know they have a good stable income from their now huge mid range. This is how i see it and entirely my opinion.
[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2007-05-26 12:49 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:47:33
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@soane28
When or where have i ever even suggested anything as lubricious as Nokia release perfect devices? Simple answer is i haven't and No i am not happy that any manufacturer releases less than perfect products but that is the price you have to pay for being an early adopter.
The difference is Nokia release firmware upgrades quickly and resolve the issues within a couple of releases. SE has taken the best part of 9 months with UIQ3 and it's still not quite there yet either is it? which IMO is a very big difference. Yet again when we are discussing SE what relevance does what any other manufacturer do have, have you never heard two wrongs don't make a right.
Lastly this idea that SE is only 5 years old is just ridiculous yes this is how long the JV has been running but it wasn't a new start up that started from scratch it was a name change they didn't throw all the previous knowledge away and start again from scratch did they? or maybe they did and that's the problem.
Whilst we are at it i will state again that some of you that think i am this great big Nokia fan boy are just so wrong. I have been using Nokia's under a year bar the occasional device previously. Currently i am very happy with my E61 and not interested in the E90 as it is to business orientated for my needs.
Actually I am actually looking at the Motorola Q9 or the Toshiba G900 as my next device and the only reason it's not an SE device is they have nothing i desire and won't get any SE device when first launched again either. The P1 just doesn't have enough interest for me and my next device has to have HSDPA or will not even be considered so some Nokia fan boy then if my next device may not even be one.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-05-26 13:06 ]
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:51:09
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On 2007-05-26 13:47:33, soane28 wrote:
On 2007-05-26 13:38:09, QVGA wrote:
On 2007-05-26 13:34:34, soane28 wrote:
On 2007-05-26 12:36:11, Dogmann wrote:
Any one that states there are no problem with any of SE's released devices is simply not living in the real world and ignoring the facts, and i am not just talking about UIQ3 devices either just read this and all the other SE based forums for the complaints that are plain for all to see.
And noone that states there are no problems with any of Nokias released devices is simply not living in the real world either.
You should be blaming SE's lack of TECHNOLOGICAL FEATURES rather than saying SE phones have problems - every brand has problems with their phones. We could be here all day picking at every problem each brand has!
SE cant keep up with the largest mobile phone company which has a huge market share that brings the cash to offer excellent technological offerings. Its pretty obvious.
[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2007-05-26 12:36 ]
SE has taken over motorolla in a number of countries, it has sold millions of K750s, K800 and its W series were a mega hit. Where is the money they earned from those going? In T650, S500 and other uninnovative models? Money is not an issue.
all their money are going into "uninnovative models" to get more money cos they are cheaper than high end models. Its like taking a step back to take a bigger step forward. More profit from mid end = more profit for high end phones. Thats y we havent seen anything high end this half of the year - because they are going to announce high end stuff later in the year once they know they have a good stable income from their now huge mid range. This is how i see it and entirely my opinion.
[ This Message was edited by: soane28 on 2007-05-26 12:49 ]
Let me correct you there: there is no high-end model announced to release this year so what you say is 100% speculation. And when you're talking about stable income, i want to ask, how many phones does SE needs to sell to make 1 high end phone? Sorry but it doesnt work that way.
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Posted: 2007-05-26 13:56:53
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