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On 2008-01-02 04:07:35, Bhavv wrote:
The build quality and firmware on my k850 are perfect, there isnt a single problem with it all.
If the k850 isnt innovative or feature rich enough for you, go ahead and buy an N95. When the k850 was released, the only phone available in the same price range that was better then it was the N95. The choice was always yours, if you wanted the best get an N95. If you wanted a lower priced and smaller handset which was the second best phone available at the time of release, get the k850i. Theres not much point whining that the k850i is not as good as the N95, buy whichever one suits your needs.
Oh, and dont bother comparing the k850i to phones that were or are still to be released after the k850i, of course they are going to be better. Thats like saying the G800 and N82 will be crap because a few months later SE will also release a better phone.
thats what i mean....many k850 owners have good and solid phones.
so ones again...blew what ?????????????????
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Posted: 2008-01-02 10:16:23
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On 2008-01-02 10:16:23, plankgatan wrote:
On 2008-01-02 04:07:35, Bhavv wrote:
The build quality and firmware on my k850 are perfect, there isnt a single problem with it all.
If the k850 isnt innovative or feature rich enough for you, go ahead and buy an N95. When the k850 was released, the only phone available in the same price range that was better then it was the N95. The choice was always yours, if you wanted the best get an N95. If you wanted a lower priced and smaller handset which was the second best phone available at the time of release, get the k850i. Theres not much point whining that the k850i is not as good as the N95, buy whichever one suits your needs.
Oh, and dont bother comparing the k850i to phones that were or are still to be released after the k850i, of course they are going to be better. Thats like saying the G800 and N82 will be crap because a few months later SE will also release a better phone.
thats what i mean....many k850 owners have good and solid phones.
so ones again...blew what ?????????????????
Many Nokia users have solid N95s. So nokia blew what?
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Posted: 2008-01-02 10:21:15
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Hi!
So I was browsing a mobile site and found this:
http://www.mobil.se/ArticlePa[....]/20080102102950_MOB031.dbp.asp
Now, this is no "absolute truth" just me wanting to show something, take it as you wish, anyway, no need for me to go over the whole thing, but it is a small top-10 list over most sold mobiles in december 07, from the operator "3"
And that the N95-8gb is on the highest place of all the mobiles, first place is an hsdpa-modem, is a point to take into consideration, and this is "3" in Sweden, a country usually known for having a very large SE-fanbase.
I have a feeling that SE is underestimating the super-high-end market, and this is a small proof that these mobiles do sell.
Sorry if this is OT
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Posted: 2008-01-02 10:58:43
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On 2008-01-02 04:15:55, Erotomaniac wrote:
What I would like to point out on this thread is all the people who keep saying they're leaving SE because it failed them in 2007.
I just hope you are not as narrow-minded as you sound. You claim your loyalty was not rewarded by SE so you jump ship. How is that described as loyalty?
I'm one of the people you're moaning about - someone who was traditionally "loyal" to SE before dumping them in 07. I think it's you that are misunderstanding and over-romanticising this loyalty - in my case it simply means that, historically, I like SE's designs and tended to look at their models first when choosing a new phone. I also took an interest in where they were going - for instance, when I had a P910 and was happy with that, I was initially very interested in the early rumours about the P990, and there was a time - months before it was eventually released - when I was certain it would be my next phone. For various reasons that never happened and I ended up with an M600i instead, and I'm glad I did - but the point was when I decided the P990 wasn't for me, I remained "loyal" to UIQ and SE and went for a similar model, expecting it to be a great phone. It was ok, but not great - and that's where my "loyalty" began to fade.
On another note, why should you even have brand loyalty for cell phones? It’s a consumer product.
It's actually very easy to build up a loyalty in cell phones - you use them everyday, they're very personal items, and every phone manufacturer tends to have those little consistent design hints that make one model follow on from another, consistent menu and software features, accessories etc. In my case, I adopted UIQ as the OS I wanted for my phone in the P800 and P910, and a UIQ3 phone like the M600i seemed the natural next step. It was only after UIQ3 dissapointed that I considered looking elsewhere.
Even in non-smartphones, people used to the way SE's standard phones do things (like text, navigate, take pictures etc) are going to have a natural preference for the next in the same line. It's obvious that if you loved your K800, you're probably going to want to love the K850 as well - it's only after it dissapoints you that the "loyalty" spell is broken. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.
As a consumer, your "loyalties" should lie on the product that gives you what you want not on the manufacturer.
But the two aren't always exclusive. If what you want is the software, style, or certain way of doing things in use by just one manufacturer, then you'll naturally favour that manufacturer - until they let you down.
Sure SE failed to deliver the goods this time, so buy from Nokia or Samsung or Motorola. But don’t close your doors to SE. That’s just not smart consumerism.
Nobody's saying we'll never buy from SE again. But SE's failure to innovate, combined with their dissapointing quality control and product support, has meant that this time around, I've switched from SE's smartphone line based UIQ, to an HTC device based on Windows Mobile. It's been quite a big move for me after four years of UIQ, but I've adapted to WM now and there's a lot I like about it. It's been a good experience so far - better than the M600i I had before - so when I upgrade again in another year, sure I might be interested in whatever SE have on the table, if they have anything to compete, but I'm also going to be thinking about Windows Mobile, and HTC, and I might even be looking at them first - unless SE really wow me. SE have lost the "first look" advantage they once had over me, and many others.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 11:55:55
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@Bart
You keep on repeating this opinion of yours that to use Sat Nav it requires a touchscreen and every time i ask you to explain just why this is so you go silent, not once have you explained why or given a valid reason. So go on brake the habit and enlighten us all as to why in the world you need a touchscreen for Sat Nav? As for the last 18 months i have been using Sat Nav without a touch screen with no difficulty or lack of functionality at all. I enter the address or postcode and it navigates what possible use is a touchscreen for this?
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Posted: 2008-01-02 12:12:38
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I feel that Sony Ericsson need more innovation in their products offerings. Right now, they are lagging behind in an over saturated CaneraPhone market, which they should really be dominating - I mean, the K850i came late, and has lost to the N95 - to make things worse, the K850i does not take advantage of Sony's technologies and keeps on churning out the same system as the K750i (Which in no way was a bad phone).
I am seriously considering selling my K850i (which as some of you may know, I have modified by removing the Glass lens cover due to the bad dust issue) - and going back to using my old S700i - which was in fact the only SE phone primarily engineered by Sony rather than Ericsson.
As a design student, I am very interested in the Ergonomics of a phine, and the material quality - the K850i fails to meet expectations in some areas - come on Sony Ericsson, this is your FlagShip model, it would be like BMW putting out a 7er with the interior of a much lesser car!
We need to see a phone with the specifications of the Sony Ericsson SO905iCS from Japan - thats where things will get interesting - when Sony take a more active part in R&D with Ericsson - I can guarantee the SO905iCS shoots better that the K850i - and the N95 - and to make matters so much better for Sony Ericsson, it has a 3x Optical Zoom.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 12:14:15
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Sorry Guys,
Thats the SO905iCS above.
Just to add though, the T650i is a beautiful design, it eats the T610 copy Nokia 6300 alive - but it should have been built for more weight, better build quality with pure steel rather than just a coating - plus the Volume keys are just a failure with regard to ergonomic usage - the back cover has some play in it - its just poor build quailty, but the Design is just perfect - I wait with baited breath for the new T series flagship with JP8 and hopefully, better build quality!
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Posted: 2008-01-02 12:18:48
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I'm just going by my experience, most phones (not all) made in China have had build issues. I agree Nokia had many build problems with the N95 I had one to replace the numerous poor K850 I've been sent and sent straight back and mines ok maybe I was lucky. I've no axe to grind with SE phones the K750 I had was a fantastic phone. Manufacturers build in China for many reasons but I would imagine the main would be a near limitless supply of cheap labour.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 12:53:52
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On 2008-01-02 11:55:55, Boinng wrote:
Even in non-smartphones, people used to the way SE's standard phones do things (like text, navigate, take pictures etc) are going to have a natural preference for the next in the same line. It's obvious that if you loved your K800, you're probably going to want to love the K850 as well - it's only after it dissapoints you that the "loyalty" spell is broken. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.
I actually understand why people have brand loyalties, my question was somewhat rhetorical. (to me atleast heehee)
And what I quoted from you is exactly why I said brand loyalty is not smart. Instead of testing first a phone to see if it will meet your standards, some people go ahead and buy it expecting it to deliver like the previous one. Then the phone disappoints and they feel shortchanged coz of what they've spent for it and betrayed coz the manufacturer did not really deliver a "better" one as "they are supposed to".
all i'm saying is, keep an open mind on this matter. you never know what the future holds.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 12:59:48
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On 2008-01-02 12:59:48, Erotomaniac wrote:
I actually understand why people have brand loyalties, my question was somewhat rhetorical. (to me atleast heehee)
It wasn't phrased very rhetorically
In any case, what you say next reveals again that you don't understand why brand loyalties both exist, and will continue to exist...
And what I quoted from you is exactly why I said brand loyalty is not smart. Instead of testing first a phone to see if it will meet your standards, some people go ahead and buy it expecting it to deliver like the previous one. Then the phone disappoints and they feel shortchanged coz of what they've spent for it and betrayed coz the manufacturer did not really deliver a "better" one as "they are supposed to".
Firstly, it's actually extremely difficult to test phones first. I don't know if you've noticed, but all the phones on strings in the phone shops are fake. To actually try one out for real, you have to start begging for favours from pushy salesman, and even then you're very limited in what you can actually do with a phone for five minutes, in a shop. Will such "testing" necessarily tell you that the K850's camera isn't quite what it should be? Probably not. Will it show up a core instability in a new OS? Possibily, but quite probably not. You only really find these things out, and realise exactly how much of a problem they are, days or even weeks into use.
You seem to be arguing that people are wrong to let their experience of the quality and utility of a previous Nokia, or SE, or Samsung inform them in their decision in buying a new model from the same manufacturer. Why? Is it unreasonable to expect a K850 to be better than a K800, or a P990 to be better than a P910? Is it unreasonable to be dissapointed in SE, and be more inclined to look elsewhere, when this doesn't turn out to be the case?
If you've previously been pleased with SE's quality of design, innovation, and customer support, is it really silly to be favour a new SE phone? Likewise, when you become displeased with the same, is it unreasonable to put SE at the bottom of your shopping list?
all i'm saying is, keep an open mind on this matter. you never know what the future holds.
True, but the real story here is that the "brand loyal" people you're trying to poke fun at have actually turned out to have completely open minds, hence their abandonment of SE in the last year. The truth is that for most people, brand loyalty is a transitory thing - it can build up over years, but be gone in an instant. All it takes is for that brand to take their eye off the ball, as SE did throughout 2007.
That doesn't mean to say that SE has lost all our custom forever, but it does mean it has to work even harder to get it back - not because we don't have "open minds", but precisely because of that fact.
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Posted: 2008-01-02 13:35:44
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