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On 2008-08-26 01:55:00, Bonovox wrote:
I consider myself a Nokia and SE fan. What i think is that yes SE have gone off the boil for a while now and they dont have a big a portfolio as Nokia for instance. But i believe they will and perhaps are bouncing back. Currently their C902 is the 2nd biggest contract phone seller. Also some of their latest offerings i have had the pleasure of playing with and found them to be of good quality. Fair enough they need a rocket up their backsides regarding smartphones cos they just dont have many. I also think despite its success Walkman and Cybershot branding is by no means a sign of quality. Just cos of a name does not mean its going to be great. I have had one or two dedicated Cybershot digital cameras and image quality was quite average. They need an all in one quality handset with no fancy branding or names. I think SE will bounce back though perhaps some heads should roll at the top.
I agree with this 100%. Even the dedicated cybershot statement. I think K850 and N95 were on par once you weighed up advantages and disadvantages of both. K800 was great, as good as any other 3.2MP phone out there, but not as good as it could have been.
But some of the lower end cybershots, for example a cybershot without AF?
That's a joke. Now W910 without AF fair enough, but a cybershot? As you say the branding is not the defining factor.
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Posted: 2008-08-26 15:11:32
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The K850i was real watershed low point IMO, the C series is much better and deserves to bring returned success to SE.
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Posted: 2008-08-26 15:28:06
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What cyber-shot didnt have AF?
And one of the W910's rivals, the U600 had more megapixels and AF...SE just dont do the market reseach and find out what people want...the just assume.
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Posted: 2008-08-26 15:29:03
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On 2008-08-26 15:29:03, tbroe wrote:
What cyber-shot didnt have AF?
sorry my bad. I made the mistake of believing something that someone said on this forum a little while ago. I'll check my facts better in future
And one of the W910's rivals, the U600 had more megapixels and AF...SE just dont do the market reseach and find out what people want...the just assume.
the u600 has a smaller screen and no 3G (let alone HSDPA) so more interior space = room to put a 3MP AF camera. (though the handset is thinner it has about the same total volume and weight as the w910)
I like the W910, and I'm disappointed that it doesn't have AF, but hey that's life. There are any number of nice phones SE has produced that have AF and play music perfectly well, I don't see the issue honestly. Why doesn't the U600 have HSDPA? According to many arguments I've had here lack of HSDPA is a crime of massive proportions and a blight on SE that will damn them to hell....
As far as I can see you buy the phone you want the most. If you want a Walkman branded phone then you are just playing the "style without substance" game. If you want a decent camera then who cares it's a "walkman" phone or not??
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Posted: 2008-08-26 15:48:27
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The W910 is a hell of a lot better than the U600...but I still feel the W910 needed AF and a flash. I made the mistake of not getting the W910 as it didnt have AF and a flash and got the K850 (as I didnt have a camera at the time). But it was false econemy(I dont know how to spell it) as the K850 was a pile of crap and my mum got the W910 and I was very jelous...now shes gets her upgrade next month shes giving it to me
As I have an iPod and now a camera I dont need the fancy features...but do like a nice looking phone. I do like the 6500 classic and think SE needs to come up with a rival for it.
I also like the iPhone and am looking into buying one.
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Posted: 2008-08-26 16:07:08
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iphone is a classic example. It has style to boot, a great ui, but is technically hobbled in so many ways that I can't see myself buying one. (for example can't use bluetooth for device to device file transfer, can't use iphone as a 3g modem for a laptop etc etc)
I am jealous of those people for whom the iphone is suitable because it is a truly awesome device, but it just doesn't have what I need.
So I can live without AF in my W910 (which still has a better camera than iphone) but not without HSDPA, decent bluetooth, memory expansion etc.
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Posted: 2008-08-26 16:22:24
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On 2008-08-26 16:07:08, tbroe wrote:
The W910 is a hell of a lot better than the U600..
you've gotta be joking. there is nothing on the w910 that beats anything on the u600 apart from 3G(nobody cares about 3G anyway because nobody uses it) and battery life. in addition to that, the u600 is considerably more reliable, more stylish looking (IMO), and doesn't suffer from endless freezes and glitches like that w910 has done.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2008-08-26 18:47 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-26 19:45:06
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The UI is basic and hard to use, battery life is dire, smaller screen, useless touch buttons
The W910 does the job of being a phone much better, although the camera may not be as good as the U600 and it may not be as stylish the W910 wins in every other place...apart from the price...but then you pay for what you get
I cant deny the glitches though...but whats the latest firmware like?
And yeahh its pretty poor that you cant send stuff via bluetooth with the iPhone or use it as a modem which would be very useful for me. Not that you'd even be able to send songs via bluetooth with all of iTunes's copyright crap
[ This Message was edited by: tbroe on 2008-08-26 22:46 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-26 23:42:19
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On 2008-08-26 23:42:19, tbroe wrote:
The UI is basic and hard to use, battery life is dire, smaller screen, useless touch buttons
The W910 does the job of being a phone much better, although the camera may not be as good as the U600 and it may not be as stylish the W910 wins in every other place...apart from the price...but then you pay for what you get
I cant deny the glitches though...but whats the latest firmware like?
And yeahh its pretty poor that you cant send stuff via bluetooth with the iPhone or use it as a modem which would be very useful for me. Not that you'd even be able to send songs via bluetooth with all of iTunes's copyright crap
[ This Message was edited by: tbroe on 2008-08-26 22:46 ]
the UI is easy to use for most people.....unless the user is educationally challenged, that is. most UIs are pretty much the same these days, so there is no big distinction between them. saying that the samsung UI is hard to use naturally follows that the SE one is too.
the w900 is crap as a phone. very few SEs do have anything in the way of decent reception, call quality, and reliability. and unsurprisingly, none of those qualities are found on the w910.
the w910 is meant to be a MUSIC PHONE, yet the audio quality is absolutely dire compared with the u600, and that's not even aimed at being a music phone
apart from battery life and 3G, there are no other advantages of the w910. add the glitches and unreliability and the significantly greater expense(SEs are ALWAYS more expensive than they're worth), i know which most people would have.
[ This Message was edited by: Brightspark on 2008-08-26 23:57 ]
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Posted: 2008-08-27 00:38:52
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On 2008-08-27 00:38:52, Brightspark wrote:
the UI is easy to use for most people.....unless the user is educationally challenged, that is. most UIs are pretty much the same these days, so there is no big distinction between them. saying that the samsung UI is hard to use naturally follows that the SE one is too.
the w900 is crap as a phone. very few SEs do have anything in the way of decent reception, call quality, and reliability. and unsurprisingly, none of those qualities are found on the w910.
not sure if you have actually used one or just repeat what you read every other anti-SE poster saying, but I have no problems with call reception, quality or reliability. Phone hasn't locked up or restarted even once.
I have had a few calls with poor voice quality, but it's infrequent and could easily be accounted for by network issues.
the w910 is meant to be a MUSIC PHONE, yet the audio quality is absolutely dire compared with the u600, and that's not even aimed at being a music phone
by using the words "absolutely dire" you reveal yourself to either biased or ignorant. The W910 audio quality is not poor by any means. Maybe it's not as good as the U600 (I haven't heard U600), but to say it's dire is a joke. I have done back to back comparison of audio on N95 and W910 and the difference is neglible (though N95 is slightly more crisp and clear, though lacks base compared to W910). I tested with 320Kbps tracks and Creative ep630 headphones (they are rebadged sennheisers cx300's - so decent quality)
apart from battery life and 3G, there are no other advantages of the w910. add the glitches and unreliability and the significantly greater expense(SEs are ALWAYS more expensive than they're worth), i know which most people would have.
My phone IS reliable, is only buggy in the video section of the mediaplayer (music works fine no problems, and videos can as easily be watched via file manager), was cheap because I didn't buy one in the first 6 months and SE prices are always too high in the first 6 months, and has better battery than U600 AND 3G HSDPA, has a larger screen and a UI that I personally find to be a fair bit more efficient than the samsung UI.
Neither phone is perfect, but I know which phone I'd rather have...
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Posted: 2008-08-27 04:08:40
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