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norbi,
What razec means is, the animation in the media player found in g900 and w960i which have UIQ, may/will not work out for the A2 platform.
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Posted: 2009-04-10 00:53:23
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Well to be honest, the humpy back on C905 is hardly noticeable. But the one on idou would feel different I guess.
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Posted: 2009-04-10 02:34:13
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On 2009-04-08 07:27:03, djin wrote:
Prom1,
What your missing here is, Its tweaked by SE for SE.
LOL what YOUR missing here is only the GUI layer is tweaked by SE for SE.
* The underlying OS and system is STILL S60 5th Edition in MANY ways:
- Touch Keypad (x4 different versions)
- System for Text Entry and Prediction - I highly doubt SE tweaked this since they & both Nokia license Nuance prediction systems & have in ALL their phones for MANY MANY years. (Between Nuance & Zi corporation; the latter now owned and part of Nuance controls 83% of the text prediction market for ALL cellphones & smartphones Regardless of brand or OS; including Android).
- Sub system of S60 - SMP which UIQ didn't have that SE has ever utilized.
- S60 5th Edition management of WLAN and APN's & VPN access. Here SE may have changed locations in the main menu but its still 5th Edition here.
^ that is just quick few.
The MAIN tweaking & expense they'll put into IDou will be with Symbian Foundation > NOT putting their efforts, time, and costs into 5th Edition only to see it have to redone with Symbian Foundation OS when its released.
Make sense?
On 2009-04-08 09:08:32, hgautam wrote:
@Prom1
Most of us still dislike the S60 of N95/82, etc. But the 5th edition does seems promising and IDOU is said to be having Symbian Foundation which is said to be similar to but not S60 5th ED... Also, IMO, what SE does to the GUI makes the UI look much better then what Nokia's UI look...
Let's wait see what the final Idou's OS will be, good or bad...
[ This Message was edited by: hgautam on 2009-04-08 08:30 ]
WRONG again!
S60 5th Edition is what ALL beta models of IDOU currently have! Every menu you've seen, every video you've seen thus far is of 5th Edition NOT Symbian Foundation.
Please read and go research as Symbian Foundation has NOT been finalized yet and is being worked on BEFORE its released to manufacturers for testing and then goes Golden Master and released for implementation to final products. Its still 2mth out.
Don't believe me ... read ALL the posts on their blog from their main site.
http://www.symbian-foundation.org[ This Message was edited by: Prom1 on 2009-04-10 04:11 ]
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Posted: 2009-04-10 05:07:21
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On 2009-04-09 16:30:46, gtr83 wrote:
I wonder why S60 won't support flash and .gif?
LOL it DOES!
S60 2nd Edition FP2 supported Gif, as well as OpenGL
S60 3rd Edition before FP1, FP2 had support for Flash Lite but it was an older version 2.0.
Flash Lite 3.1 is the latest supporting Flash 10 used on modern PC websites.
On 2009-04-09 14:19:59, norbi_nw wrote:
Well if it will be like UIQ, then you can do anything with it! Since you just have to access the C and modify the icons. A200 is diferent, but it supports flash lite and gif wallpapers, and menus too. Thats what i miss in symbian. Will this phone have a dedicated keylock button? iLock FTW
but G900 lock button is best!!
October or sooner
hope i manage to save some cash
if not, it will be a nice christmas present from myself to myself ^_^
Um are you saying NATIVELY you had access to UIQ phones' C drive from the built-in file explorer? Or via a hack using Xplore?
Well don't worry you CAN hack the file system in S60 - ever since 2nd Edition FP2 (then in FP3, then 3rd Edition, FP1, FP2, and now we're waiting in 5th Edition unless thats already recently been done).
You can insert the Fonts you used on your PC as well?
You can do QUITE a lot!
That is why I moved to a Nokia S60 device ... I needed a better calendar and more power for more advanced applications.
Oh and for those of you questioning Flash use in icons with a background - I think N97 displays the Widgets which CAN use Flash, HTML, CSS, Py60 (Python) or Ruby and have a background. I've used a few widgets like Reuters on my E71 and the way the Reuters fades in and out seems to me like its using Flash.
[ This Message was edited by: Prom1 on 2009-04-10 04:27 ]
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Posted: 2009-04-10 05:21:04
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@GUCCI
So I can hope that SE is going to release an S60 device which is not touchscreen? With looks akin to something like N82? I would go for that one!
My anti-Nokia stance have always been derived from their poor battery life (well I guess this won't change with SE's S60 devices) and their crap design. Now if there will be an S60 device with SE's casing design, it would rule! (at least in my books)
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Posted: 2009-04-10 06:18:03
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On 2009-04-10 06:18:03, gtr83 wrote:
@GUCCI
So I can hope that SE is going to release an S60 device which is not touchscreen? With looks akin to something like N82? I would go for that one!
My anti-Nokia stance have always been derived from their poor battery life (well I guess this won't change with SE's S60 devices) and their crap design. Now if there will be an S60 device with SE's casing design, it would rule! (at least in my books)
S60 may be around until late this year, from Nokia or Samsung. However, in October we'll see Symbian-Foundation device flourish ... I estimate 4 devices launching before mid-November.
You're stand on anti-Nokia for poor battery life?
- they've made some strides ... E71 I get a FULL day, plus a few hours of use: 2hours of phone calls, 3hrs of browsing on WLAN, pretty frequently only not downloading pages for when I'm reading the content, GPS - saved maps + network + cellular location assistances, a few unanswered calls, mms, Nokia Messaging for push email of Gmail & Mail on Ovi accounts (Gmail gets around 20/day) I delete remotely and use Outlook far less on my home PC. Reading a few eBooks in PDF format with native Adobe Reader 2.5LE, and a few more tidbits.
- now with E55 going to debut shortly ... its with 28days standby on 3G not just GSM! SE has been stagnant with system usuage under load for battery life on their NON-smartphones. UIQ handsets, to my knowledge (not 1st hand) didn't fare much better than Nokia S60 devices released in the same timeline over the past 5yrs; G-Series not included.
Nokia crap design? Sorry but the world disagrees from the SE fan base comparing smartphone range to smartphone range. Nokia's S60 has been THE strongest used and purchased, and shipped, and most on wireless provider subsidy of ANY smartphone OS on the market for the past 10years. Ignoring this is simply that ... an ignorance to truth's or facts. Nokia offered a wider range of devices than Samsung, LG, SE, or late try hard Motorola; and Lenovo didn't do SQUAT! Does anyone her realize they where amongst the first to license S60??!!
E71 is a SLEEK qwerty device. Its not aimed at youth or just those that want multimedia; but for the business or organize concious user. If you like the BlackBerry Curve 83xx/89xx/Bold devices then this is something to consider.
IDou ... even with all its features, speed, and great enhancements that I love about the A2 platform ... Media Manager specifically, but a full and only Touchscreen device just doesn't suit my personal needs or tastes. I'm open to its performance; and may reconsider if a less camera intensive device has an even back.
I'm awaiting a non-qwerty Symbian-Foundation OS device from SE ... something close to the G-series or even the Motorola Ruby (RAZR3 type prototype); I want a flip phone with great style without loosing WiFi.
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Posted: 2009-04-10 06:52:44
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After reading your thorough explanation, I still stand my opinion, despite some fine devices they made, like N82, N95 8GB, E71 and E66. Never said I don't like E71's design but I still won't buy it. You see, I'm a fanboy to the bone. Buying a C905 even after all the hardware and software issues posted here should be enough proof, right? About the rest of the world, well 99.9% of the population can like Nokia designs and I still won't. If all your friends like this girl, and you don't, do you still go for her just because she is the most sought-after girl?
Sarcasm aside, E71 is a very good phone but it hasn't suited my main needs yet. I already have a Bold for those. My point about being anti-Nokia doesn't mean I won't appreciate the good phones they do make. I don't think you've ever seen me bashing E71 specifically, because, well, I never did
EDIT: about the batteries - well, I did pretty much the same like you do (minus the Ovi services of course), on a C905 plus roughly 100 texts and I still get 1.5 to 2 days. Guess it's the only advantage of a dumbphone.
[ This Message was edited by: gtr83 on 2009-04-10 06:12 ]
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Posted: 2009-04-10 07:09:18
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On 2009-04-10 05:07:21, Prom1 wrote:
WRONG again!
S60 5th Edition is what ALL beta models of IDOU currently have! Every menu you've seen, every video you've seen thus far is of 5th Edition NOT Symbian Foundation.
Please read and go research as Symbian Foundation has NOT been finalized yet and is being worked on BEFORE its released to manufacturers for testing and then goes Golden Master and released for implementation to final products. Its still 2mth out.
Don't believe me ... read ALL the posts on their blog from their main site.
http://www.symbian-foundation.org
[ This Message was edited by: Prom1 on 2009-04-10 04:11 ]
Ha Ha Ha... Do you think you need to tell me all this??? I know all these things already and never said that IDOU is running Symbian Foundation... I said "IDOU is said to be having Symbian Foundation" by which I meant the final OS of IDOU when it launches and not the one shown in the prototypes...
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Posted: 2009-04-10 09:27:26
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On 2009-04-10 06:18:03, gtr83 wrote:
@GUCCI
So I can hope that SE is going to release an S60 device which is not touchscreen? With looks akin to something like N82? I would go for that one!
oh boy,Bad day at work huh?
My anti-Nokia stance have always been derived from their poor battery life (well I guess this won't change with SE's S60 devices) and their crap design. Now if there will be an S60 device with SE's casing design, it would rule! (at least in my books)
Good for you.
Ofcourse when coming from a dumbphone to a smartphone the batt life will seem low, then again i tend to find that most anti-Nokia SE users are judging from the good ol' 7610, 6680, N70 etc. . .days and havent used any recent s60s for more than a few hours, and so dont have a clue what they are talking about. My N81 pretty much got me through a full day of Web browsing, Mxit IM, a bit of Ngage and listening to music with no problem, and this was BEFORE it got On-Demand Paging which it now has on the V21 FW.
. Personaly i charge my phones every night ANYWAY, so all i need is a phone that lasts me a full college day and im all gud. Newer s60s have great batt life,you want see poor batt life i suggest trying out the HTC TouchDiamond, THEN you will know what poor batt life is.
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Posted: 2009-04-10 10:14:38
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I know that more advanced smartphones will always have less life in their knackers, the problem seems to lie on the battery itself, the technology behind batteries haven't really changed for years. And yeah the Bold needs charging every other night no matter how I use it
No mate, wasn't a bad day at work. It's a half-week holiday here due to the national elections. If only S60 can come along with SE's body design.
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Posted: 2009-04-10 12:05:58
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